In this episode of the Super Strength Show, Ryan Doris takes us on his journey to becoming a competitive powerlifter, coach, and CEO for De Novo Nutrition. During this interview, Ryan shows you what it means to be real, hustle your ass off, and maximize every minute of your life.
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[0:00:18.5] RT: What’s up Strength Maniacs? And thanks for tuning in. I’m pleased to welcome today’s guest, Ryan Doris. Ryan is a powerlifting coach and CEO for De Novo Nutrition. A company of athletes who grew up in a generation where sport nutrition was defined by pseudo-science marketing and deceptive labeling. Amen to that.
Let me tell you man, there’s a lot of that stuff around. It’s unreal. Their promise as a company is to provide great supplement products, established upon empirical scientific evidence. In other words, shit that works, all right? That’s exactly what he’s selling. Okay, highest quality and simplicity. No lies, games or gimmicks. Just like I said, shit that works.
Ryan competes as a raw power lifter in the 93 kilo weight class and he’s ranked 5th place in the 2015 raw nationals. He has a 287.5 kilo squat, 175 kilo bench and a 287 and a half kilogram deadlift for a total of 750 kilos or 1653 pound total on the three lifts. To connect with Ryan you can visit his website at denovonutrition.com.
Ryan, welcome to the show, absolute please to have you here man, it’s been not that long since we last talked but it’s good to have you on the show man, love your energy and I just can’t wait to get into this man. Let’s do it.
[0:01:42.8] RD: Yeah man, dude, it’s an honor to be here so quickly, we met very fast and we just hit it off and I’m even the pre-conversation we have before this. So thank you to everyone tuning in listening. Thank you to you Ray, I do appreciate it.
[0:01:56.5] RT: No problem, it’s bromance at first sight, let me tell you.
[0:01:58.7] RD: Dude, like three seconds, literally.
[0:02:01.1] RT: Just like that, those big, brown beautiful eyes had me, I was done.
[0:02:05.6] RD: That hairy chest got me as soon as I saw it.
[0:02:08.4] RT: Oh you’re giving away my secrets now man. Yeah people. Now that I’ve given you a moment here to process that everyone. Okay, now we’re back to the show. Ryan, how about you tell us a bit about yourself man, give us some more info about you?
[0:02:22.4] RD: Well, I have my titles so I’m just on the side of the people, I think that’s my biggest thing. I’m not like some dude trying to bring in socialism to the fitness industry or anything but I was a person who was just frustrated with a lot of things, this 19 year old kid working at a vitamin shop, couldn’t — thought he would never finish undergrad and I went on and I got my MBA and I got my masters in international management.
I got my education and I thought, “You know what? What if I could find educated people and use them as a force in the supplement industry and in the fitness industry and coaching and just give them some good shit for once?” Because I think we’re all a little sick and tired of the bullshit we have to deal with and we all know it’s bullshit but I think I’m one of the small people trying to make the new generation of come on, let’s just give real — that would be unacceptable to get laundry detergent and it’s bullshit you know?
We’re the only industry doing this. I think that’s me overall. I became those things by way of wanting to fix them more than anything and be one of the many people who are starting to do that and start up in changed ways. That would be the synopses of me, I guess I’m a revolutionary for the people, I just want the good stuff and the truth out there.
[0:03:36.8] RT: Yeah, guys, if you haven’t quite picked it up yet by the end of this interview, I guarantee you, you’re going to pick it up that Ryan, he’s not BS’ing here, I mean you can just hear it in his voice, that was one of the reasons why I wanted to have him on the show when I met him, he was training, he was doing a deadlift session and a bench session actually, he’s putting in some serious work.
Guy’s got a great physique on him, he pulls some serious numbers, puts up really good weight but more important than that, he’s a genuine real guy that’s really trying to benefit our industry, our hobby, whatever you want to call it by providing some really solid information and not only that, products that actually work. So it’s my honor as well to have you on here because it’s the type of people I love to associate with.
[0:04:15.1] RD: Yeah man, thank you, I appreciate that.
[0:04:16.8] RT: Yeah, no problem at all. Okay, first question I want to ask you. This one we always lead off after I ask people to elaborate a bit on themselves is, how about you share with us one of o your favorite success quotes and an example of how you apply it to your training in life? A guy like you, all kinds of passion, I’m interested in hearing this one.
[0:04:35.6] RD: Man, I would probably say one of my favorite quotes. What’s indirectly for me to find success, this is from Frederick Niche, he was an existentialist philosopher, one of my favorite philosophers and it’s from — I forgot which book it is — but it’s this line he has and it says, “A little poison now and then for a good night and finally a large dose of poison for a final good night.”
Basically, that’s a lot of people’s life I think. I think a lot of people drink the poison, they’re okay with what we’re given. For me, I guess personally, that quote kind of stems my lifestyle you know? I’m a young kind of kid from the south side of Chicago, I don’t have a ton of resources, I’ve never had a rich uncle and I don’t have anything. I think for that quote, I kind of speak for the people, anyone.
Whether it would be like a woman’s issue or not just a racer big issue but any issue even if it’s in fitness, badge and NX. Anyone who’s kind of held down, because in reality dude, most people I really think are held down in life in some form of oppression on one another. I think my biggest thing and then what that quote means to me and I applied it to training is “find the truth in things and don’t settle when you know the truth but actually go out and be mad about it and don’t drink the poison.”
Don’t drink the daily poison until they basically either you die or at the end of your long sad career of listening to what you’re told, they give you a surf and turf dinner and a fucking watch or something, I don’t know. I’m not interested in that. I don’t think anyone’s interested in that. I think that quote for me is less of a direct piece of advice but more of a reminder for daily action of what will happen if you don’t go out and get proactive and get after things.
[0:06:23.4] RT: 100% man, I agree with you. Now you say that you feel a lot of people are oppressed or held down one way or the other. Where do you think that comes from? Is that external or internal?
[0:06:33.9] RD: I think it’s a mix of both, right? I think it’s mostly external but I think believing it is internal part and that’s kind of how it ties in why the quote makes sense to me because you can be oppressed by another person or held back but it’s a hundred percent up to you if you believe it. I think for me, my biggest thing is that I simply don’t believe it. If someone tells me, “Well maybe,” — I remember when I was in high school, I took this test and I forget what they’re called. Aptitude test or something like that?
They tell you what you’re supposed to be. Mine was just way off, they told me I was supposed to be an engineer or something. I’m terrible at math and I think when I say the word oppressed, I don’t mean it in the overarching sadness of someone is physically holding you back but I think it’s a mental oppression that is bred through literally the institution through school, “you have to do this, don’t be different, you have to grow this way.”
Even my teachers during school is saying, “You can’t go and start your own company, you have to work for somebody.” I find that as a form of oppression and I find what’s even more oppressing is that we actually believe it. We have Google, you know you can Google anything you want? Like anything you want. Like anything you want!
[0:07:46.7] RT: Google is your friend right?
[0:07:48.0] RD: Yeah but instead as I say in this book Curiosity I think the author is Ian Lesley, I may be wrong but he says, instead we Google pictures of cats. That is in itself, I think, oppression. Not knowing that you can exercise your resources. The internal belief of it absolutely and external’s not only to blame but external was definitely a larger part of it because it’s how we’re bred I think to begin with.
[0:08:16.3] RT: Yeah, I think what you said man is the key thing which is whether or not you believe it. It may be happening but so what?
[0:08:23.2] RD: Exactly.
[0:08:25.3] RT: Sure, at the end of the day, you may be going on but focusing on is not going to change things for you, not for the better anyway. I think it points out to something else which is you need to unplug from all that BS and it’s all around us. Whether or not it’s a conspiracy, I’m not trying to go down the conspiracy theory route here at all but it just seems to be average, being mediocre is just the average of society. If you want to be different than that, you have to separate yourself from it.
[0:08:53.4] RD: And I think that’s the biggest starting point is this where I’ve gone this year is I’ve kind of been telling myself, get out of your own way, that’s been my biggest kind of I guess “self-mantra” to myself this year and I think a lot of people need to believe that. A lot of people, they do this things, let’s say you take a personality test or you do something, “Oh, this is what I tested for, this is what I am, this is my personality as I’m supposed to be.” No, fuck you, no it’s not. You’re accepting that.
You can do anything you want and I think a lot of that stems from literally not having that internal strife to want to do it and I think if you don’t want to be better or if you do want to be mediocre, I think you should accept that and I don’t think you’d have to do this false every Monday morning, putting up some quote or picture. It’s okay, the people I’ve met at least, if you’re a wolf, you’re going to go be a wolf, you don’t have to lie to yourself about being that.
I wake up in the middle, I sometimes wake up off three hours of sleep and not just to go pee but I have to go back to sleep, but I’m like, “Well I’m up, I could have get some more in,” and I’m greedy because I just want to do the work. I think there’s a lot of people in the world who are like that and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that but I think naturally there are a lot of people who just desire and fantasize about being that personality and not being mediocre and really and truly in every day and their actions they are.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with accepting that you are. I think it boils down to getting out of your own way and saying, “This is who I am,” and either be it or either know it and then change it. It’s literally that simple, get out of, it’s literally that simple, get out of your own way with your fantasies and just accept who you are and where you want to go or where you like to be in your contentions I guess to some degree
[0:10:42.7] RT: Yeah man, like the shirt Tyson used to wear, walking into the ring, “Be real.”
[0:10:47.0] RD: Yeah.
[0:10:47.5] RT: “Do you.”
[0:10:49.4] RD: That guy was 19 years old knocking out everyone in his path, that’s amazing.
[0:10:53.8] RT: “Be real, do you,” there’s a reason why those sayings are out there and that takes courage, it takes some courage man to step and kind of on your own and go down your own path. It feels like a freaky thing because you’re not around other people that are doing that. Now, other people are out there that are doing that and with the internet, you can find them. Yeah, just whatever it is you want to do, obviously as long as you’re not on purpose trying to hurt people.
[0:11:18.8] RD: Absolutely.
[0:11:20.6] RT: Some crazy serial killer or something but we’re not encouraging that by any means. Yeah man, be true to yourself, we got one life man, we got one life. I was reading something — I just want to say this right quick. I was reading something and this nurse, I think it was a nurse that studied people who were at the end of their lives and the biggest regret that they had was, people didn’t have the courage to live the life that they wanted to live.
Instead they lived the lives that others expected them to live. That’s just terrifying when you think about that. When you add the fact that some people believe in reincarnation but as of yet, we have no proof that there is reincarnation.
[0:11:56.5] RD: Here’s the thing though, it doesn’t fucking matter because you get this one though. It doesn’t matter if there’s reincarnation in a new form, it doesn’t matter if there’s heaven. It doesn’t matter if nothing happens. What matters is that you get this one and you got to do something with this one.
It doesn’t matter what happens, what happens is you’re guaranteed you’re not in here anymore. Regardless of what’s next or what’s not next. That’s the thing, I think people need to stop relying on what could be in this potential of who they fantasize about and what maybe is. To know what it is and what it is that, I don’t know, I got 50 years left if things go right, if I don’t fuck it up or trip or…
[0:12:34.7] RT: [Laughs] Trip.
[0:12:36.7] RD: The reality is you don’t know and the reality is dude, this could be your last conversation right now, this could be my last conversation. Dude, when I talk to you, then the reason why I guess we clicked is because when I talk to a person, I talk to him with respect of like, “There is a possibility, small but you may be the last human being I ever talk to. Something may happen in the next — you just don’t know that.”
I think for me, I try to have that waking honesty in every moment and keep my death kind of in my face because a lot of people don’t want to accept it because it’s hard to swallow and it hurts to think about it. It sounds cryptic in some ways but I’m not going to fucking wait until I’m dead to realize it. I’m going to realize it now and do what I would like to do while I still got some life.
[0:13:22.3] RT: Yeah, I think that’s one of the biggest short falls of our youth obsessed society. We fall into that category of being still relatively young and whatnot but the problem is, people completely forget that you eventually get old and eventually you die.
[0:13:39.2] RD: You got to be old man, you got to go.
[0:13:40.3] RT: You eventually you die and that means you need to hustle while you’re here, if you want to get something out, you got to squeeze every last drop. If you think you really want to maximize your life, because a lot of people say I want to do this, I want to do that, I want to do the other thing and that’s great, you have all these wants but nobody’s really doing anything about it.
[0:13:57.3] RD: Yup, it’s all wants. It’s all a want based system.
[0:14:00.2] RT: “What are you doing? That’s great that you want that but what are you doing about it?” There’s no bigger motivator than realizing at some point, it’s going to be lights out for good.
[0:14:10.1] RD: Yup, yeah man. You’re right, I can’t disagree with that whatsoever.
[0:14:14.7] RT: There you go guys, like I said, by the end of the interview, you’re going to know what Ryan’s about and this is a pretty good taste of what Ryan’s about and the passion that he has and why he’s doing what he’s doing.
Okay so Ryan, let’s get into sharing a story of a time in your training and life when you encountered a major challenge. Take us back tot that time in your life, kind of flush it out for us, tell us a story and share the lessons that you learned?
[0:14:39.8] RD: Well I think I learned this early on. I actually came from a track and field background. My little brother, he’s 26 so he’s actually a professional triple jumper. He lives out at the Olympic Training Center. He’s still in track and field and I came from a track family. My brothers and all of us, we went through undergrad all on track scholarships essentially, we didn’t have the money for college, the only reason my family got an opportunity at education is because we were good at sports.
I think that for one thing, a big breakthrough that I had was early on, two things happened to me and they happened kind of like in the same week. We got to our first — no, it was my second. It was my second junior Olympics, it was in Oregon and Nike hosted the whole thing and you know, you’re this, I think I was 15 at the time, this 15 year old kid. Nike shoes, Nike gives you — and you know for a 15 year old kid, that’s awesome, you’re one of the top, I think it was like the top 20 jumpers, I was long jumping and triple jumping, I qualify for both.
We go up there and we all have good rankings and me and this other guy from Illinois, we’re the two guys from Illinois. We’re there, we’re competing, everyone’s warming up, everyone’s friends and this kid, I forgot his name. Actually no, I ended up running with him when I was in college later on the same team. His name was Kenneth Hall. You can even Google this kid. Kenny Hall, triple jump if you want to see the video.
At that time, at my age, we were all on the national level at 15 year old. If you triple jumped like 47, 48 feet, you were like a stud. I was going like 46, 47’s around that time in my life. I was pretty good. This kid, Kenny Hall, he rolls up and he looks at all of us, warming up, we’re on the grass in the middle of the Nike stadium and he looks at all of us and he says, “Which one of ya’ll is going to take second today?”
The whole place was just, “What? Who is this guys?” This guy rolls up, not even in triple jump shoes right? Just wearing sprinters shoes. He goes out there, he kind of has everyone intimidated because we knew we had a big jump a few weeks before, he goes out there and jumps 56 feet on his first jump. Dude, adult males jump 56 feet. I think my older brother, like I said he’s a professional now and he’s now going 56 feet, as a professional adult.
Dude, I went home and I just got so intimidated, I scratched out. I couldn’t even hit the board, I went home back at — I had to stay in the dorm rooms at University of Oregon dude and I just sat in my room and I wasn’t like weeping but I just cried, a quiet silent cry. Because I think that was the first time that I got absolutely decimated in an athletic sense and I think people don’t get that enough and all your coach can do is tell you, “Now we have to go home and train,” I remember that and I never forget that.
I remember I got home, between that feeling of just being crushed and being thrown off my game and intimidated. I was entering my junior year, I got my first letters, I started getting letters from schools, recruiters and things like that. It was two things, it was one, you’re not that good, your work ethic needs to be flawless. Two, you have an opportunity to get out of your situation and go to college. Make it easy for your mom and make it easy for your parents.
So I think that was the first real athletic challenge I had in my life because before, we would fuck around, warm up, mess around in practice and we’re just kids. High school kids at the track and I think I became captain that next year and dude, the level of seriousness at which I’m speaking to you now, that’s how I started talking in high school.
For the first time in my life, I found something that I could take out of necessity and I think my key take away is for this challenges is you have to get to a point of necessity because of, like we said earlier, if you just have once, if you just have desires, dude, you’re never on your own volition, kind of pick to go all in on it. You’re going to do maybe 80% of the work, you’ll do some work, but if you got to a point where something just hits you and the chest and it’s unfortunate that at times it has to be devastating.
But to me, that was my biggest challenge, I was getting over that, it was to the point that I was a 15 year old kid, I wanted to quit, you want to just go home and cry mommy. But I think for me that was it, I learned early and what a lot of people don’t get is that I was 15, I’m 28 now, That was 13 years ago. So when you see me on the platform at Nationals, I’ve been doing this a long time. This is nothing new for me.
When Jessie Norris rolled up and just crushed everyone, dude, I had a perfect meet, I had a nine for nine meet for me, it didn’t faze me, Jesse’s going to do his thing, I’m going to do his thing and a lot of people crumbled because of Jesse’s performance. I think when people say “focus on you”, I think you need to get some of that first and learn how to overcome the challenge of focusing on you and getting it to a point of my training as a level of necessity that I have to do this.
It’s not even an obsession anymore, I don’t ever get up and be like, “Yeah, I’m not going to brush my teeth today.” No, I have to brush my teeth, what kind of question is that? I have to brush my teeth today. There’s no question I’m not going to do it. I think that’s for me was that summer was getting over that and giving the mental maturity enough. I think a lot of people never get in their life, even up to their 30’s in their sports career but I was fortunate enough to get decimated like that early and overcome it.
[0:20:07.6] RT: Yeah, definitely. I mean I’ve heard in business, it’s better to make the mistakes early on as supposed to later on.
[0:20:14.6] RD: Absolutely.
[0:20:16.1] RT: I think that applies across the board. I mean, obviously you’d like to have some guidance so those mistakes aren’t so bad that they completely wipe you out but yeah, I think you just mentioned a good point there too at the end which is not to throw it all. I think it is best that you get that earlier on as opposed to…
[0:20:29.8] RD: Absolutely.
[0:20:30.8] RT: …later on in life. It’s good to develop that resilience and learn how to dig deep and do all the things that come along with overcoming adversity early on. Because once you realize that you can overcome these issues and problems, it becomes — I find you become much more willing to take on bigger and bigger challenges. What doesn’t kill me make me stronger kind of idea?
[0:20:54.5] RD: Yup, 100%. It’s all I guess sort of for me, it’s about being formidable. I write a lot, I think a lot of thoughts. I wrote something the other day and it was me and my employees, we had kind of a hard day and we were just planning out the financial year and it kind of was in a down mood. I said, good problems right? Good growing problems. I wrote, and it’s very short. It said, “Everyone on your team has to be formidable. I don’t feel sorry for anyone on my team whatsoever. “
It’s the truth, I don’t feel sorry for them and I don’t feel sorry for me and I don’t feel sorry for anyone and I think once you can get that grit and if you can get it early on, it’s beneficial for your life whether it be business, whether it be training, whether it be, you know how they say for men, you got to go through that first hard breakup when you’re a kid?
The earlier you can get some grit on your chest, I think the better because nothing is worse than having an adaptation and you’re 40 years old and you’ve never been through a hard time and you’re like, what the hell, I’m 40, this has always been easy as supposed to like I said being 15 and you’re like, okay, this is new, it’s going to be hard and now I’m setting the standard for the rest of my life that this is hard.
[0:22:09.2] RT: It’s kind of like the military, you want the training to be difficult than the actual combat.
[0:22:12.2] RD: Absolutely.
[0:22:13.8] RT: Whether or not they can really pull that off, it’s kind of difficult to replicate people getting blown apart, not to be — That’s kind of the concept right?
[0:22:24.1] RD: Yeah, exactly. As hard as possible, that’s the idea.
[0:22:26.5] RT: Yeah, exactly. Then when you get out there in the real world, it becomes maybe not necessarily easy but it isn’t like a culture shock to you right?
[0:22:35.0] RD: Exactly, it seemingly work, we have the best military in the world, without a doubt.
[0:22:41.7] RT: Okay, how about sharing a story of a time in your training when you had a breakthrough moment. If you could take us back, the same thing man, tell us a story and tell us the steps that you took to turn that light bulb moment into success?
[0:22:52.2] RD: I don’t know why but I forgot to mention in my bio, I realize that when I woke up last night. I’m a pro natural bodybuilder as well to. I forgot, I don’t know why I don’t think about it. I guess because, I’m a crossover essentially. I forget while I’m in one sport. I do one sport at one time. I’m going to be in my power lifting years now and then I’m going to go back to my bodybuilding years and then some time now.
It happened during a prep, I was 20, I was younger, I think I was 21 or 22, I turned pro pretty early and I was still in school, I was an undergrad. I just got done running track and I kind of transferred over to, I wanted to kind of just lift weights too you know? I got hit to kind of just obviously what I’m in now right? I think my biggest breakthrough was seeing that excellence is everywhere because I would have great training sessions but they were variable.
I couldn’t figure out why they were some were good and some were bad. Then I think the biggest breakthrough that I realized was that excellence is consummate. If you want a good training session, you better have had enough sleep for the three days before, you better had eight right for the three days before, are you mentally clear, are you having any drama or are you having any relationship drama in your life right now?
Did you get your oil change so there will be no car issues on the way to training? Dude, I realized this connectivity in life that Michael Jordan didn’t become Michael Jordan or Steph Curry’s not Steph Curry because they flicked the wrist a thousand times on the free throw line. Dude, you dedicate everything to this thing, all your eggs have to be lined up in a row to get this thing right.
I think for me, it was not so much in training and not so much about education and in surrounding myself with PHD’s and masters and that was important but I think one day I came home and I just realized like I just went pro and I realize, what did I give up to get this? It was more than training and it was more than eating, it was a lifestyle, I had to stop talking to people, I had to stop going out, I had to just change who I was entirely.
I had to uncompensated totally as a person so I think for me, a lot of people think still institutionally in terms of their breakthrough, they think if I study hard enough, I will get good grades. No, if you get good grades, you are good grades. I am I guess right now, I am a good speaker because I am just a good constant thinker, t here’s no break, I’m not thinking this thoughts out of my ass, I’ve thought about this stuff my entire life.
I think people don’t want to identify totally with something and I think that’s when I had my biggest breakthrough in training and I realize okay, if I want to be a good athlete, I want to be a good power lifter, I have to put everything into this thing and so…
[0:25:40.3] RT: No part time in it right?
[0:25:42.2] RD: Dude, nothing. I’m sure back in like 1980 if I wanted to… I could part-time and be a good one but dude, there’s so much competition now of the level that people are putting in that if you get into anything in this day and age with the level of competition and knowledge out there. You’re not going to succeed at all.
I was looking at your site and I was like, man, these dudes have done like… they’re 200 podcast, man. Dude, you didn’t get here overnight. You are the podcast, you live the podcast life you know what I mean? I remember I met you, I was like, what’s that shirt, it’s my podcast. Dude, I have a Denovo tattoo, you saw it. I am that and I think my breakthrough was nothing I realize, volume is important, reps and stuff. Those are important. My lifestyle was the biggest thing that I had to get down to have a mental breakthrough to how to be successful with this thing.
[0:26:42.2] RT: Yeah, I think that’s a big take away like you said, it’s not, you study hard then you get good grades, it’s because you do everything to be the person who gets good grades, it’s not just one thing yeah. I’ve mentioned that a couple of times on the show, it’s become this realization, damn, it’s not just about the training, I got to make sure I get the nutrition and I get to sleep.
Sleep’s got to be good, I got to get to bed at a certain time, that means I got to make sure that I prepare for bed at a certain time which means I need to get my work done by a certain time which means I need to be up by — all of a sudden you realize, okay, basically this encompasses my entire life. “You got this. It’s just the way it is. It depends at what level you want to play at.”
[0:27:24.0] RD: That ties back to the first thing was said, the level you want to pay at is where you need to be real. Do you say you want to be a millionaire or do you really want to be a millionaire and live like one to get it.
[0:27:36.5] RT: Exactly. All kinds of good information guys, we’re not just limited to this to training now are we? You’re listening to the Super Strength Show and our guest today is Ryan Doris from denovonutrition.com, we’ll be right back guys, hold on to your dumbbells as I would say, Be right back.
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[0:28:59.1] RT: Okay guys, back with our guest Ryan Doris from denovonutrition.com. Ryan, one piece of training, one training resource okay? It could be equipment, could be a book, a training, a course of some sort. What would you recommend to our listeners?
[0:29:16.6] RD: Man, again, I’m a big fundamentalist. I’d rather not talk about specifics but I would say, the more you can understand something at its most fundamental, the more you can learn anything and I forgot where I was, I was in Portland Oregon for a short trip and I was in the bathroom and I saw this sign and it said, if you think education is expensive, try the cost of ignorance. I loved it. It was just written on the bathroom and it was amazing. I always recommend books as much as I can.
We actually, we have denovonutrition.com which is our main site but if you got Denovoconsulting.net which is kind of our coaching site. We don’t even want you to buy anything. If you want to train with us, that’s fine but we have a resources tab and it literally has everything that we have learned from, we put it out there publicly, there’s no secrets in this right? Go to the resources and I literally have list of books and we have the categorized by nutrition and training but I would definitely say off top, if I had to, for me at least where I started.
I started learning about periodization for training with the power lifting training or bodybuilding because once you learn, everyone uses periodization. You can be an archer, you can be a swimmer, you train with periodization to some degree, we have one on there that’s periodization, it’s by Greggory Half and I think the other one is Bompa. We have that on our site.
Then the other one would be from the NSCA, the CSCS certificate that people can get. Now, you need a bachelor’s degree to get a CSCS and to have a certificate but it’s kind of like Goodwill hunting. You can read a book and you don’t need the fucking certificate, you can get the knowledge. The knowledge is free.
You don’t need the certification to have the knowledge for yourself and it’s called Essential Strength. I think it’s Essential to Strength Training and Conditioning. Those two books I think for me have been essential, if I understand those on strength training and conditioning and periodization, doesn’t matter. Anything I read, whether it be like DUP, which is something we do a lot daily on periodization or block program.
It doesn’t matter, 531, all that shit doesn’t matter because you get the fundamentals and you get what’s going on. Denovoconsulting.net. Go straight to the resources, don’t even fucking look at me or my page, just go straight to the resources and get the knowledge for yourself. This stuff is out there. It’s cheap. For $60 you can have the world of knowledge. Go there and check it out I would say, get the information itself, I don’t have any tips. My tip is fucking learn, that’s my tip.
[0:31:45.9] RT: Apply.
[0:31:47.4] RD: Yeah man.
[0:31:48.5] RT: Apply for sure. Yeah, I think that’s a good tip in terms of periodization. Learn to execute the movements correctly.
[0:31:54.0] RD: Absolutely.
[0:31:54.8] RT: Then learn how to per iodize because any beginner can pretty much do anything, they’ll make progress for a bit but then eventually they’re going to hit a wall and you need to know how to per iodize correctly to keep the progress chugging along.
[0:32:03.4] RD: Absolutely.
[0:32:04.7] RT: That’s a really good information.
[0:32:06.0] RD: Then from there, we said, we have bio-mechanical books we recommend on there and we all hat to link to Amazon, they’re not connected to our Amazon that we make money, it’s just literally go buy this shit if you want to learn. Once you get periodization down, you’re like okay, how can I get more efficient then you start learning biomechanics and it’s amazing.
Then you just learn step by step and it opens up a whole world of learning. Go on there, check it out many, it’s not like a set in beginning, it’s not about me, I’m for the people and I just want the people to know that the fucking universities hoard these books and we can have them for $60. They’re yours.
[0:32:39.5] RT: Or used for like a penny sometimes.
[0:32:42.5] RD: Yeah man.
[0:32:43.5] RT: Or free at the library.
[0:32:45.9] RD: Don’t get me wrong, I’m educated but college doesn’t own the world’s knowledge, we can go read man, like Kahn Academy even is this free amazing source to just to learn.
[0:32:55.2] RT: Yeah Kahn Academy for sure.
[0:32:57.2] RD: Dude, I learned chemistry off Kahn Academy to understand this stuff.
[0:33:01.2] RT: Definitely. But, the truth is, a lot of high end even universities are now starting to open up and offer their stuff for free to the world, kind of like Kahn Academy.
[0:33:11.2] RD: My COO who is our formulator as well, he is going back to school for a pharmaceutical chem and dude, he’s doing it online. The people are moving to a new form of education, we don’t want to fucking sit in a classroom and spend all our time in there. He’s doing a good job, he’s doing his work and he’s going — he’s educating himself and I think the wave of the entrepreneur is affecting how these institutions will have to teach us because we’re getting smarter and better without your certification dude. We got the knowledge now, that’s the thing.
[0:33:41.3] RT: Yeah, the cool thing with the Internet is, you need to learn something or do something, you can either find somebody who could do it for you or you could find the answers so you can do it relatively quickly, which is pretty damn amazing because there’s no excuse now for getting stuck.
[0:33:56.5] RD: No, not at all.
[0:33:56.0] RT: Somebody out there. Even somebody like yourself, I imagine if somebody reached out to you and said. “Ryan, I got a question,” would you be like, “Het out of my face,” or, would you be like, “No, I’ll help you out with that.”
[0:34:04.8] RD: I’d help you as much as I could but as soon as you needed to learn I’d give you a book. Read this if you really want to know it.
[0:34:11.7] RT: The thing is, pretty much every one of our guest who has been on here has basically said that, “If somebody reaches out to me, I got no problem pointing him the right direction or helping them.”
[0:34:18.5] RD: Not at all, I want all of us come up as much as possible. That also attest to people who feel that way. Again, they’re not afraid, they know themselves. Like I said in the beginning, get out of your own way and really know who you are because I know the degree I’m willing to work to be the best. If I give everyone the resources I have, I’m still confident in the position I hold because I will work my way into maintaining that position.
Again, I don’t have to oppress anybody by not letting them know the knowledge, there’s no guru, there’s no magic person, they just spent the time reading. Like I said in the beginning, I don’t want to oppress anybody and keep information from them. You could take it, have it, it’s out there if you want to learn and you’ve heard this a million times and it sounds cheesy but man, knowledge is power and once you know your confidence, confidence is knowing, that’s literally all confidence is, is that you know something.
[0:35:11.3] RT: Again, I’d like to add to this which is, useful knowledge properly applied ultimately is power. Knowledge in of itself is potential power.
[0:35:21.3] RD: That’s a very good point.
[0:35:21.9] RT: Yeah, I’m not trying to like step on what you’re saying.
[0:35:24.5] RD: No, you’re right.
[0:35:25.1] RT: I’m trying to exercise what you’re saying right? Get the right information, finding a guy like Ryan because he’s playing double duty here right? He’s bodybuilding and he’s power lifting and he’s doing it at a very high level. Find somebody who’s got the proper knowledge and then properly apply that knowledge.
A lot of us fall into the trap, I know I’ve done that before where you learn something and you think you’re doing it right but you’re really not following it 100% correctly. It’s a big difference, little tiny tweaks make all the difference in the world. When you do that, that’s when I mean — then you do what you said earlier which is live it, eat it, breathe it and all of a sudden man, you are leaving people behind man.
It’s just incredible what happens. Including your old self which is arguably the most important thing right? You’re leaving that old version of yourself behind and you’re growing and evolving into this new person.
[0:36:15.8] RD: That relative measure is everything. Absolutely you know? Just to see how far you can get. A lot of people say, “Focus on yourself.” Yeah, absolutely but I think what the world would be relative depravation, it’s kind of fun as well to be like, “What don’t I have compared to this guy?”
And I think in our society it’s easy to see what someone else has and you’re like, you could either do one of two things, you can be honest with yourself and say I’m jealous? Me, I admit when I’m jealous but I think the difference between me is that I admit I’m jealous and I go get it. Someone who says I’m jealous and doesn’t admit it, t hat’s when you become a hater.
[0:36:49.0] RT: And then you start talking trash about the other person.
[0:36:50.7] RD: That’s the fundamental difference, is that jealousy is okay, it’s good. Dude, when we met, we didn’t know anything about each other but I clicked on your thing and I was like, “Dude, this dude’s podcast is killing mine. He’s killing. Man!” And I remember you gave me advice, business advice and I obviously listened. We actually did just buy something for that mail thing so thank you. But yeah man. Here I am though, I’m proud of you too.
[0:37:19.8] RT: Yeah, because it’s like, you see yourself in the other person right?
[0:37:22.3] RD: Yes. I’m so happy. I’m like, “Man, let me get a piece of this, let me talk to this guy.” I’m happy for you because I’m taking action but I think it’s that inaction that creates that fear and that hate like fuck those guys.
[0:37:36.6] RT: Jealousy is kind of like anger, it’s misunderstood. They could — they’re forms of energy right? Emotions are energy right? If you use it correctly and you direct it properly, it can be for a force of good ultimately and really help you right? Anger can help you get up and make something happen. Jealousy is the same thing, get your ass and gear and happening.
When you turn into a hater or you start self-destructing, doing self-destructive behavior, obviously that’s when things start becoming a problem. No, I agree with you man. I love what you just said that you feel proud for the other person, you’re happy for the other person because it’s like in sports man. Powerlifting, a lot of people have a hard time believing this when I say this to them. Powerlifters are very competitive but they help each other so much.
[0:38:20.0] RD: Dude, it’s like family.
[0:38:21.0] RT: Yeah, it’s like t here’s no cheerleaders at a powerlifting competitions with pom-poms. All the guys with the suits and the chalks on their hand because they’re cheering each other on.
[0:38:28.9] RD: Then deadlift, everyone’s got their singlet down and their bellies hanging out and everyone’s just showing for who he was. It’s amazing, you’ll never see grown men with bellies do that any place.
[0:38:38.0] RT: No, it’s because they recognize themselves in the other person.
[0:38:41.2] RD: That talent, yes.
[0:38:43.8] RT: “Come on, I want you to do this.”
[0:38:45.6] RD: I want a piece of that and me seeing at least one of us being able to bring it to fruition, I admire that. Again, I think part of it goes to you too, like I said in the beginning is know yourself. I coach and I am an athlete and I have, how can I possibly — dude, if not someone to put in the work of what this person is doing. Let’s say like podcast, it’s easy podcast example.
I can’t, I have to know my limit. I can’t put in as much work as this dude is doing man. I can’t. I think people need to recognize that, what is my talent level, what is my skill level and what’s the work I’m willing to put in and be happy for someone who is crushing it and who is killing it and who can do it and it’s a beautiful thing once you recognize that.
[0:39:27.0] RT: I’m going to say this right here because you’re praising me. Having a great team is obviously…
[0:39:32.0] RD: Everything! Everything man, everything.
[0:39:34.7] RT: The team’s huge right? Shout out to the team, it’s big. Jan Jovi, Charlie. They really help.
[0:39:40.8] RD: Charlie’s a good dude, he’s good on emails. Thanks you.
[0:39:42.8] RT: Definitely, yeah, for sure and so much more. All right, let’s get to the next question here all right? It has to do with 88.
[0:39:50.6] RD: Yeah man.
[0:39:51.9] RT: Yeah, it’s getting serious now. Especially if you’re in like an alley and you’re facing the wrong way in the alley.
[0:39:58.3] RD: You got crazy hair.
[0:40:00.1] RT: You got crazy hair yeah exactly. We just had a guest on Jason Ferruggia, he said that his little brother used to be afraid of Doc Brown. He used to tell him, get this. He used to tell his little brother, whenever a van would pass by, that was Doc brown is coming to get him.
[0:40:16.8] RD: You know the craziest part about that movie is that it had to be released at the time it did because modern day, you could not really see a movie about a little boy in high school with this old, weird looking doctor guy.
[0:40:25.9] RT: That’s a good point.
[0:40:27.1] RD: You could not do that by today’s standards.
[0:40:28.9] RT: That’s a good point. Maybe that’s why they haven’t remade it because they’ve remade every movie under the sun. For some reason they haven’t remade that one yet. That’s probably why.
[0:40:36.0] RD: It would just be creepy, the generation wouldn’t get it.
[0:40:39.4] RT: It’s awesome, that trilogy is awesome by the way.
[0:40:41.8] RD: It’s perfect, leave it.
[0:40:43.1] RT: I hope they never remake it. It’s like Scarface, I heard they were going to remake that. I’m like, are you kidding me? Who the heck is going to remake that?
[0:40:48.7] RD: Leave it, just leave it alone.
[0:40:50.7] RT: They remake Conan and the guy that acted in is a great guy and all but come on man, you’re not going to replace Arny, come on, are you joking? Maybe his son per se but not him.
[0:41:02.6] RD: Yeah, not him. Just leave it alone. Anything, and we say this in our company, anything which is perfect has ended, even in the chemistry standpoint. You have the group of noble gasses like helium and things like that. They don’t interact with other things and in chemistry. They’re perfect and they’re also useless in their perfectness, they don’t interact, they can’t do anything with them. Anything that’s perfect, it needs to be left alone. Leave the Conans, Leave the DeLorean, and Leave it alone.
[0:41:33.8] RT: Okay, let’s get to the question then and we’re kind of giving it away here but basically when you answer this, if you can give us some specifics so our listeners can take it and put it to use right away as soon as they hear it. We really appreciate it when you do that. Here we go man, you’re doing your training, you’re doing your thing and man, there’s some kind of a funk man, rolling its way into the gym. Now you’re getting flash backs of the powerlifting competitions, all the dudes with their singlets down and their bellies hanging and they’re swatting everywhere and there’s some funk. “What the hell’s going on here man?” Then I walk into the room. I’m clothed though, I got my clothes on, it’s all good.
[0:42:05.3] RD: I’d hope.
[0:42:06.1] RT: Yeah, I’m clothed. You’re just like, “Dude, Ray, what’s going on here man, you got something in your gym bag? You got an old sandwich, what’s going on? Jock strap? What is that dude?” I’m like, “Here you go.” You’re like, “No, I don’t want to have anything to do with that.” I’m like, “No, trust me.”
I toss you the keys, you head out to the DeLorean parked outside and if you were able to take that thing and hop in it, hit 88 miles an hour, go back in time, knowing what you now know, how would you structure your training to get the best results in the shortest period of time and to set yourself up for long term success?
[0:42:34.4] RD: Yeah, sustainability is key. So I’ll take the keys definitely but I would get on this terrible traffic down here in Florida. So I would make sure I get on the back road, I’d get it up to 88 and I think I would go to 2008, that’s when about I first started in this industry and one, I would, like I said, the resources that we have on our website, I would give myself those right away.
And the reason I say those resources was because all of those resources come from two main things. They come from people who are in the trench so to speak. They have the experience and they’ve done it and also, they mix that practical application with actual lab work that’s been studied, that’s been done. And I think a big part of me, a big part of our industry is science and I think people just don’t know how to interpret right science yet. They don’t actually know what that means.
I think for me the first thing I would tell myself is like actual science is done with a study in it’s peer reviewed but it is not totally practical, it is not everything, it doesn’t mean that just because it says it in a study that you take it and you put it in application right? I would have that healthy balance because I used to be like, “If the science says this, I’m going to do this.” Yeah, yes and no. That would be the first thing I would say in terms of knowledge.
The second things that I would tell myself in training that I really didn’t find out till this last year is volume is king. It is absolutely like the most important thing in training. It doesn’t matter, let’s say you want to shoot bow and arrows. Let’s say you start out and you shoot one bow and arrow per da. You’d be okay. Let’s say you start out and you shoot a thousand, you’d tire yourself out and you create injuries and I don’t know, some tennis elbow or whatever’s created.
So I would map out my life’s volume and I would try to project it as much as I can. Now, what we do now in our training for our clients and for ourselves is that we take volume by the year and I think a lot of people have the training, they look at volume as like a block to block thing and say, “Let me jump this as high as I can,” not thinking that maybe I want to lift for 20 more years.
I would say I have this knowledge so I know how to apply this like you said, applicable knowledge and not just reading nonsense like, “I have to drink this before I go to bed and if I take this,” that shit doesn’t matter. Things that just don’t matter. So I would take the applicable knowledge and I would know that volume is king and it’s the number one principle of all time, progressive overload.
I forgot that Greek story but it’s the guy who pushes the rock up the hill every day.
[0:45:08] RT: Sisyphus.
[0:45:09] RD: Yes, Sisyphus. And Sisyphus is just a great story about physiological adaptation. If you started Sisyphus day one, it would suck but after about a month, you’d break through, after 21 days you’d break through that adaptation period and you get better. That’s training. And I think for me, I would take this knowledge and put it in a common sense type of thinking. Like, “Volume is king. The more you do something, the better you are at it.”
I could probably go back and listen to your first podcast, it’s probably okay but your intro is down, your timing is down, you’re just good, you’ve just done a lot of it over time but you couldn’t in the beginning, you couldn’t do how many you’ve done this week but you couldn’t do as much as you’ve done this week in the beginning. You had to have a progressive overload mentality to sustain and not get injured or not, burn out or anything like that.
In the beginning I did too much, my volume was too high. Because I would Google a video and I’d be like, “Well shit of Ronnie Coleman’s doing this drop then I need to do the drop set.” I didn’t need to do that at 19 years old. Five sets with 87% effort that was fine for me. I didn’t need to do German volume training in my first.
Especially for a beginners. Know where your current volume is, learn about these volume things and things like I talk about with periodization and plan your life out. Plan your life out about how a good you’re getting and let your results speak for you, take what you can get. Dude, if you’re not getting a certain weight and you’re trying everything you can for six months, there’s a reason.
Lower the weight, do volume up and you’ll get there, maybe you’ll get there in year two. It’s not meant to be gotten there yet. You’re a human being who adapts over time and you’ll get better over time. Then I would jump back in the car and probably go to like I don’t’ know, medieval times or something like that with the DeLorean.
[0:46:53.5] RT: Go find some bar wenches right? Is that what you’re telling me?
[0:46:55.7] RD: Yeah, just have some fun or something like that.
[0:46:59.1] RT: Medieval times, where the hell did that come from man?
[0:47:01.0] RD: Dude, I like the idea of living the life with no technology. Let me repeat that. I like the idea, I don’t actually like it, I like the idea of it. I always wonder how it would be. Since I got my first cellphone when I was 14 and I’ve been living, I’ve been like dude, I remember when texting and driving came out, “What the fuck, I’ve been doing it for 10 years. What do you mean don’t text and drive? You know what I mean?”
I have connected to the web, to the net, to the technology and I think a part of me yearns for a time when people were at the epoch of talking and knowledge like Einstein. What if Einstein had a Twitter? I just yearn…
[0:47:44.9] RT: I don’t know if he would have got all that work done that he got completed, right?
[0:47:46.8] RD: He wouldn’t have gotten anything.
[0:47:47.8] RT: That’s one of the problems, we got all of this surface type of knowledge, we don’t really dig deep.
[0:47:53.2] RD: Yup, 100%. That’s what I kind of yearn for is being able to — I mean I mentioned that book things called curious or Curiosity about Ian Munsly and he talks about let’s say you’re a seven year old kid and you look at airplanes. Back in the 40’s, a seven year old kid would see that airplane and he would grow up every day, “How can I get a book?” You’d have to put in the effort to go to a library. “Maybe I need to go to pilot school, I want to be a pilot. I love this.” Now, if you’re seven, all you have to do is Google, how does an airplane work and you’re totally satisfied within like a minute, you’re never going to go to flight school. Your curiosity has been satisfied. I think back then.
[0:48:29.5] RT: The whimsical nature of the unknown…
[0:48:32.4] RD: Yeah.
[0:48:32.7] RT: …isn’t quite to the level that it used to be because you just have access to everything. It’s all explained in YouTube videos and podcast and stuff like that.
[0:48:40.3] RD: Yup, you and I right now, we probably have a combined, damn near 40 years of just talking about experience on the line right now. People are getting this within an hour. It’s instant gratification and not knowing this is our life, this is my one go, this is my life I’m spilling out here and the same thing with you of mistakes and things you’ve accumulated. I think people see that instant gratification and they think, “Well that’s how everything is,” not knowing the shit you’ve gone through in a lifetime.
[0:49:10.5] RT: Yeah, that stuff that I try to emphasize on the show, when I bring on guests like yourself. These are people who have been there, done that, they’ve put the time with either the nose between the pages of a book or under a bar on the gym, something on the field, in a ring, on the mat and they’ve bled blood, sweat, tears in years put into this thing. Just to come on the show and share five, six, seven, eight, nine tips. It took that person workouts to realize that tip.
[0:49:40.6] RD: That summation of that tip.
[0:49:42.9] RT: Or five years of study or something like that and as weird as it sounds, it’s odd because when somebody gives you a tip, they can give it to you in like five seconds of piece of advice and like a minute. It’s just difficult to understand that it took years to get to that point, be able to provide that.
[0:49:59.1] RD: Like we said earlier, it took years of living, it’s like a monk, you have to live that lifestyle to get it. It’s not only you did it for years but you did it and you were that for years. I was training for years, I was dieting for years. I have encompassed it and I’ve lived it as supposed to a quick summation or a quip responsive of, “Increase your heart.” Versus actually living it and doing it.
[0:50:23.2] RT: It’s kind of like a fighter who says, “When you throw a jab, make sure you’re covering your chin.” I wonder how he learned to make sure to do that. Or, “When you throw a kick, make sure you do this or when you throw a hook, make sure you cover that liver quickly otherwise, you don’t want to get hit in the liver, it’s just not that good.” “Oh yeah? Okay.”
You don’t quite realize it’s like an off switch when you get hit there. It’s not good. Maybe it took him I don’t know, a couple of dozen shots before this person realized. Sure, when it comes to other parts in life, you may not be getting your head bashed in, it might not be that quite painful in that regard. It’s still painful nevertheless in terms of the effort and the time and the frustration and that’s why I always say, find somebody who has been there, done that.
I’m always harping on that. Find a mentor, find a coach who has been there, done that. Who has taken somebody just like you that’s in your current situation and help that person achieve what you want to achieve whether it’s him or herself or ideally and others as well. Not just him or herself but has been able to actually learn how to teach others how to do it. Just because somebody knows how to do something doesn’t mean they’re a good teacher.
[0:51:38.8] RD: I think a piece of that sort of, not to derail it or get too far off, is that the kind of issue I think with the current up and coming millennial generation is that people who are like that out there and these are plenty of people like us who would love to mentor and help, but what we’ll do for you is that we’ll empower you and we’ll tell you how to get empowered. But I think a lot of people don’t want to be empowered, they just want answers and that is a fundamental issue I’m seeing. It’s like, “Tell me the answer, don’t tell me what I need to do to get better.”
[0:52:07.5] RT: They want the fish, they don’t want to learn how to fish. That’s just a part of human nature. That’s great but, it’s kind of like we had an umbilical cord at one point and then we get to a point where we don’t need it anymore because if we still need it, guess what, we would have never been born, right?
Most people walking around as if they still have an umbilical cord, looking for somewhere to plug it in. I think that’s just a mindset that I’d like to think most people can snap out of that, if not everybody. You need to be aware of it and that kind of goes back to what we were talking earlier on at the beginning of the show, which you got to realize that if you really dedicated, really want to achieve something, it can be anything.
Be a good spouse, a partner, a boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, and wife. Good athlete a good business person a good student. At what level do you want to perform at? Well then is your life, are you living your life in accordance with the level that you want to perform at?
[0:53:03.3] RD: Exactly.
[0:53:05.3] RT: Pretty simple, right? It’s like, “I want to lose weight but I’m eating a pint of Ben and Jerry’s every night.” That’s kind of contradicting right?
[0:53:12.7] RD: Simple in theory, hard in actual self-discipline and controls.
[0:53:18.2] RT: Exactly. We’re pretty much at the end of the show man. Ryan, this was good, I love the passion, like I said in the beginning, I hope the listeners, they’re going to go check out your stuff denovonutrition.com.
[0:53:27.7] RD: Absolutely.
[0:53:28.6] RT: I think they’ve gotten taste man of your passion. I did, just feeling how much that you love this, love life, you’re making things happen, you’re going after it. If at the end of the day that can just motivate somebody to do their own, to live their own life in that way.
[0:53:42.5] RD: Even if it’s a one person I’d be satisfied.
[0:53:44.8] RT: Yeah, even if it doesn’t even have to do with training, just some aspect of their life, the person could be an artist, right? Could be a Lego artist, it doesn’t matter. Whatever it is, just do it man, just express yourself fully in whatever it is that you’re doing.
[0:53:57.1] RD: Yep, 100%.
[0:53:58.7] RT: That’s how you’re going to gift yourself and everybody else. Sounds corny but guys, that’s the truth man.
[0:54:04.3] RD: You hear it but it’s the truth and it’s right in front of your face and when you realize that the truth has been there, it’s almost embarrassing once you realize that wow, it’s true. I’ve been hearing this my whole life but it’s the truth.
[0:54:14.8] RT: Yeah, again, we got a guest on, I mentioned before Jason Ferruggia and he talks about constantly hacking away the unnecessary. I think that’s crucial because what that does is, it leaves just the vital few items that you really need to be focusing on. You only have so much in the way of resources whether time or energy. You want to do the effective things but you want to do the effective things as good as possible. The best of your ability.
The way you do that is by providing them actual amount of energy to those things. You do that by hacking away the unnecessary stuff and really going after it. That’s kind of what you’re mentioning right? You got to cut it all, the unnecessary crap that’s getting in the way of whatever it is that you want to achieve and go after the stuff that you need to do to achieve and be the person that you need to be to have the things that you want.
So Ryan, where can we find out more about you man? After that, a word of parting advice there.
[0:55:09.7] RD: I would say definitely the company site. denovonutrition.com, denovoconsulting.net and from there you can find everyone on my team, I’m really a big team guy as we said earlier. So much of me and so much of what I’ve said today, it’s just been hours and days and years of conversation with my team. Check us out there.
You can also just Google me and I think this is a powerful thing I say to people. Because I say to people because I say this and a lot of people don’t believe me but I think an advantage that I have with kind of what I’ve done in my life from track and field to this and to my education and everything. My life has basically been, I’m 28 now, it’s basically been documented since I was 16 years old. I’d be in the newspaper in these things like that.
My life is basically, I’m going to live and die with an online live documentation of my life. I would say, I would tell people, “Literally Google me and if you find something you like, reach out to me, I’m a pretty normal person.” I mean you’ve met me, right? I’m a pretty regular person, I’m not going to come out and drop Philosophy bombs on you. I’d be pretty tough and pretty normal.
[0:56:11.5] RT: Yeast, you’re real man. We talk some serious stuff, we talk business, life, we joked around about some things.
[0:56:17.3] RD: Some funny stuff. Yeah.
[0:56:17.7] RT: Relationships, we covered it all when we first met each other. It’s cool.
[0:56:22.5] RD: I think my biggest things is not being afraid to reach out to people. I think I’ve just been fortunate enough that if I run in to someone, I’m never the type of person to hesitate saying “hello” and I want to invite that to people as well, to everyone and I’m that type of person. You may hit me up or if you send me a message, find me on, I dunno I have Instagram and all these other social media outlets. I may not reply for six months but I’ll get to it at some point.
In some point in my life, I’ll see it and if you really mean what you said, it will be valid in a year or six months or whenever I get the time to see it. Not being afraid to reach out to people and not assuming. I think for me, I’m still small enough with my following that — don’t get me wrong, there are company things and of course I don’t run the company’a social media, I have a whole team.
As far as me, I’m still alive man. You can still talk to me if you like something you hear, just give me a shout or send it through the company, send to the company inquiry. I work with everyone, each and every single person in the company I work with day to day. So I’m not hard to reach, that would be the best thing I could say really to people.
[0:57:29.4] RT: I’m easy to find right?
[0:57:31.2] RD: Just Google me man.
[0:57:35.0] RT: Parting advice, what do you got for us?
[0:57:36.6] RD: Go forth, that’s really all I got to say, you know? I think a lot of people are afraid to do that. Go forth and find it. Whatever it is and let go of — when I say go forth, I mean let go. When I first started this thing as I guess the entrepreneurship style, next level of thinking and living, I was looking for instruction, I was living by a syllabus, a class syllabus. “This is going to do this and this is going to do this.”
If you want to live a unique life then you have to prepare to do a totally unique thing. Like your job Ray, my job. You know dude, we can tell them, we don’t have job descriptions, we just made it up, we just made up our jobs. We just totally mad it up. No one told me how to do this, I just made it up. And I think a lot of people want to be unique and different and things like that. Go forth and start building it.
When we first started, I’ll never forget, we moved down to Florida some years ago, we had a blank warehouse, we’re in equipment talks essentially with the equipment financier. We had offices and that was it, we were just waiting on shipment to get it down. Dude, we just started with the money we had in our pocket, we had no idea what we were doing.
Every time we got offended, we would take it. People would be like, “You guys don’t even have a mezzanine, what are you doing here?” And we’d be like, “Wait, wait, what’s a mezzanine?” We would write everything down and we would just learn and we just had a meaning like the other week. This small example but we finally set our stuff to Australia. You had to declare the wood that the palette was on. Dude, we have no idea how to do that. We have no clue how to do that.
Dude, we dug in and we figured it out. We just like I said, go forth and figure out your job, figure out your life like. Unless you want to be oppressed by what someone’s going to tell you to do, you’re going to have to be a unique creative person in your life’s destiny, I am the master of my fate, I’m the captain of my soul essentially, right? As we talked about on the break but that’s it man.
[0:59:43.3] RT: Invictus.
[0:59:44.2] RD: Yeah, Invictus, go forth man and find it. No one’s going to find it for you and no one gives a shit about your ideas and no one gives a shit about how you feel, they care about how you do. That’s all that matters, just go forth and get to doing. Thinking about it doesn’t matter but doing it is what matters.
[1:00:01.5] RT: Yeah, I think that’s important what you said, nobody really cares and I think the way you should take that is, stop looking for other people to do it for you.
[1:00:09.5] RD: Yeah.
[1:00:10.0] RT: You need to be the person that drives that thing across the goal line. You got to have that enthusiasm energy to make that.
[1:00:15.5] RD: Yup, 100% man.
[1:00:18.8] RT: Some good information. Ryan man, I love it. As I said guys, find somebody who has been there, done that. Good mentor, good coach and they can find that information at denovonutrition.com?
[1:00:27.9] RD: denovonutrition.com and it’s a link on there for consulting and it can take you to our other site which we actually have two separate company for De Novo Consulting. Ton of information on there and that will lead you into, you’ll go into our YouTube, you’ll go to our — we just have years’ worth of content, like this conversation that I’ve put out essentially. It’s yours right?
It’s not mine, it’s an idea I thought about and it’s out to the world now. Take it an apply it to your daughter, your son, your job, whatever you want, it’s yours. That’s what we do guys like Ray and I. That’s what we do, it’s yours now, I figured it out, I’m worked through hell to get it and it’s yours.
[1:01:05.2] RT: denovonutrition.com and did you say the other one is the same thing but consulting?
[1:01:10.5] RD: denovoconsulting.net is the other one.
[1:01:12.9] RT: .net okay. If what he’s saying is resonating with you guys, check him out man, I’m telling you right now. It’s some amazing progress could be made when you’re taking the proper path right form the get go to get to where you want to go.
[1:01:26.6] RD: Absolutely man.
[1:01:27.3] RT: It’s just incredible. You got the will, he got the way as I used to say, that old commercial TV Tae Bo. It’s legit though man, there’s a lot to that saying. You got to put in the effort and find the proper information and you make it happen and there you go. That’s my goal is to bring people on to the show that could help you guys achieve your goals and that’s why we bring on a variety of guest that have all kinds of different backgrounds and we’re hoping that, and we know that one of these guest is going to resonate at some point with you.
Maybe bodybuilding isn’t your thing, maybe powerlifting is, maybe that is and maybe it’s cross fit, maybe it’s gymnastics, maybe it’s bodyweight exercises. Somewhere, somehow, something’s going to resonate with you and when it does, you just got to act on it, you got to make it happen and jump. Don’t waste no time, just get on it and make it happen. I really appreciate you coming on Ryan.
[1:02:20.5] RD: Dude, I appreciate you having me, like I said I was excited that the second we decided we were going to do this, I appreciate it man.
[1:02:26.9] RT: There was no even, like I was like, “Oh yeah, I’m definitely asking this guy. The guy’s making it happen in his training, looks the part on top of it and then when we talked he has all kinds of great things to say. Oh yeah, e’s definitely getting in the show.”
[1:02:39.4] RD: He’s in here by himself.
[1:02:41.2] RT: Yeah, just putting in. When was it? It was getting late.
[1:02:45.3] RD: It was late, I was by myself, I’m glad you were there to spot me, I was going to do it with or without one. Either die or get it done.
[1:02:54.5] RT: Yeah, get big or die trying right?
[1:02:56.1] RD: Exactly man.
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That being said guys, Ryan Doris, the man that we had on the show. Take a listen to what this guy had to say, put this stuff to use okay guys? As he said, this is yours now. We did our part, we shared this information, or he did anyway, and here you go. Now it’s up to you to kind of take this information and do something with it and when you do, get back to us, let us know man, whether on Twitter or emails. Give us a shout out to one of us. We love hearing from you guys. With that being said, one last time, thanks again Ryan, love to have you come back on.
[1:05:37.5] RD: Man, anytime, it’s my pleasure man and I’m positive we’ll be in touch between shows as well.
[1:05:42.5] RT: For sure, for sure. I love everything that you’re doing man, your energy is great, you’re sincere, you’re an honest guy, I see a lot of good things happening for you and they already are happening for you man. You’re well on your way so just keep pushing and I mean, I can only see a brighter and brighter future down the road for you. Thank you so much for all the stuff that you’re doing as well.
[1:05:58.5] RD: Likewise brother, likewise, 100%, right back at you.
[1:06:01.2] RT: Thank you, thank you. All right guys, put it to use and until next time, train smart, train hard and we’ll talk to you then.
More Specifically In This Episode
- How to find the truth and never settle for mediocrity
- Be proactive and get after things
- Exercise your resources
- Get out of your own way
- Live in the present and take advantage of opportunities
- Why you have to get to a point of necessity
- Everyone on your team has to be formidable
- Excellence is everywhere
- Knowledge is potential power. It only becomes powerful when it’s properly applied
- Volume is King
- The more you do, the better you are at it
- Plan your life out
- Don’t just look for answers, be empowered
- Go forth and start
- If you want to live a unique life, then you have to be prepared to act differently
About Ryan Doris
Ryan Doris is a powerlifting coach and CEO for De Novo Nutrition, a company of athletes who grew up in a generation where sports nutrition was defined by pseudo-science marketing and deceptive labeling. Their promise as a company is to provide great supplement products established upon empirical scientific evidence, highest quality, and simplicity. No lies, games, or gimmicks, period.
Ryan competes as a raw powerlifter in the 93kg weight class and ranked 5th place in the 2015 Raw Nationals. He has a 287.5kg Squat, 175kg Bench, and 287.5kg Deadlift, for a total of 750 kg or 1,653 lbs.
To connect with Ryan, you can visit his website at DenovoNutrition.com
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