In this episode of the Super Strength Show, Ric Drasin takes us on his journey to becoming a Professional Wrestler and legendary Bodybuilder from the Golden Era. During this interview, Ric teaches you how to turn your passion into fuel for success.
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[0:00:19.4] RT: What’s up Strength Maniacs? And thanks for tuning in. I’m pleased to welcome back today’s guest, the one and only, the Equalizer, the legend, Ric Drasin. If you haven’t had the opportunity to listen to our first interview with Ric, definitely check out Episode 18 which is still as powerful today as it was when we first recorded it in late 2014. Rick has been in this industry for many, many years in his principles whether it be in training or life have stood the test of time.
For those that need to be brought up to speed, Ric Drasin is a former champion bodybuilder from the golden era and professional wrestler known as The Equalizer which is exactly why I said that earlier. Rick was the one and only Arnold Schwarzenegger’s training partner for four years and also designed the iconic Gold’s Gym and World Gym logos. Some of the bestselling and largest selling logos in the world.
In 2012, Rick was awarded the Joe Gold, Lifetime Achievement award in Los Vegas and was the first recipient of the reward, and definitely deserved it. Ric still teaches wrestling in his backyard ring in Sherman Oaks and has trained many champions including WWE champ Rusive. At 71, Ric still stays in excellent shape and trains seven days a week, what is your excuse guys?
He also has his own show, Ric’s Corner, on YouTube with over 19 million viewers to date and growing very quickly. To show his base on his own experiences and fitness nutrition and wrestling, bodybuilding and more with many legends as guest. Guys, it is an absolute treat to tune in every time Ric launches a new episode, it’s great man. There’s all kinds of people from today, people from the past, people from way back in the past, more recently he’s been putting out some fantastic stuff from the 50’s and 40’s and black and white. Black and white that he’s been finding.
If you haven’t heard of Ric Drasin’s Ric’s Corner on YouTube, you are in for a treat, I can’t express that enough and I can’t emphasize enough to go check that out. That’s not it, if you listen to the first episode, you’re going to realize that you know that Ric’s a busy, busy bee man, this guy doesn’t mess around and here we go.
He also hosts get this WWE smack down review that’s by after by Stevie and produced by Maria Manunos. Old school wrestling by after buzz TV. Ric Drasin live by Empowerment TV. Tough and tender by power me TV and actors entertainment by Pepper J Productions. You can connect with him by visiting RicDrasin.com or ricscorner.com.
[0:02:47.2] RT: Ric, welcome to the show, pleasure to have you back, I think we had some fun last time, had some laughs and that’s one of the great things of working with you and just tuning in and listening to you all the time. Thanks for coming back on.
[0:02:59.2] RD: That’s a great intro, I’m trying to wonder if I’m really that person. I was just talking to somebody earlier about the things that I’ve done in my life, I get this a lot. You do remember them but then you kind of put them behind you and then you move forward to new stuff and you can’t remember everything you’ve ever done.
There’s just so much and even with movies I did a movie in ’94 with Lou Gossett and Billy Zane called flash fire. I wanted to show my girlfriend because I’ve only been with her three years and all she sees me is limping around on a bad knee. I said, “It wasn’t always limp, I was able to walk, run and do things.” So I bought the movie on Amazon, the DVD and we took it up her house and watched it the other night and throughout the whole thing, I’m a bad guy in the film.
I had a black beard then rather than a white beard. She looked at me and she says, “You’re actually running out of a car and walking, I’ve never seen you walk like that.” So I said, “It was 20 years ago I didn’t have bad knees.” So I had forgotten about the film and how much I was in the thing. So we watched it and she got a big kick out of seeing me like I was back then. It was fun when you start seeing old stuff like that.
And the FBI show and I did the movie Ben with the rats, I was a gym instructor that got attacked by rats and then the hulk playing the demi hulk. It all adds up at the end of the day and you think, “Wow, I really have fulfilled a lot of things in my life that I didn’t really expect to do although I really wanted to set the bar high for myself and did it.” My mom was always very proud of me and my father died when I was 18, he didn’t get to take the journey with me.
But my mom lived till 97 and she was a very good supporter of everything I’ve done. However, I was telling somebody else, having a Jewish mother, you can never do enough; “You should have been a doctor, you should have been a lawyer, you’re so good at this, I can see you doing this and see you doing that.” I said, “Mom, I’m doing the best I can, I can’t do all of them, it’s too hard.” So I did what I did and that’s where the history goes.
[0:04:46.0] RT: At the time, there were probably times when you’re like, “Oh god, here we go again mom, seriously? You’re going to be constantly be telling me this?” Looking back, is it something that you think to yourself I’m happy that there was that pressure to perform?
[0:05:00.1] RD: Well she believed in me, there was nothing in all honesty, I just had lunch with a friend of mine, and there’s nothing that I cannot do that I’ve every tackled. Even in high school, pulling a transmission out of my ’56 Chevy automatic and putting in a stick and linkage, I did in two days by myself and I didn’t know what I was doing, I just asked questions and dinner for a hundred bucks.
That was a challenge to me, even fixing things around the house but growing up in a small town with people who worked in the oil business and farming, that’s all they did. I was a guitar player in a rock band in high school and I was good, I was really good guitar player, kind of Chris Isaac style or Jim Atkins. We had won the battle of bands in Hollywood and got a Capitol Records deal and I thought that was going to be my thing and I was going to make a career in music.
But I didn’t, I took a left turn in 65 and went into the professional wrestling and how that came about, I was working out at a YMCA and this is something we’re going to talk about in the past, there weren’t many gyms around but the YMCA had a weight room and most YMCA’s back in the 60’s were very sparse on equipment. Most of it broken, barbell’s bent, cable machines with frayed cables sticking out and cutting you.
But I was able to develop my body from 1960 to 63 very well. I started dinner and a couple of local contest and power lifting and I had a 455 bench and 500 squat, which was pretty good. I didn’t know anything about diet back then, I just drank a lot of milk. But in ’65, my father died in 63 and 65 these wrestlers would come to town and train at the YMCA on Thursday nights and show locally, I started talking to them about getting in the business.
And they were like, “Well, there’s nobody like it, maybe you should go down LA and start talking to Johnny May Young who is training people.” She was a female champion at the time in her 40’s, so I did. I drove down there and it’s a two hour ride, she says, “Let me see you without your shirt.” She goes, “Oh my god, there’s nobody in the business that looks like you, you can make some money.”
So I started training with her five days a week, driving back and forth 110 miles each way, cost me $25 a class or a session or training which was a lot of money but I made it playing in a band on Friday and Saturday nights and work on gym and here is where the passion comes in. If you want something bad enough, you can do it but you have to be so passionate that nothing stands in your way.
So many younger people today say, “Oh I want this so bad I want it so bad, I want it so bad.” And then they sit home, and it’s not going to come knocking on your door, you would have to chase it, you would have to go around the roadblocks any way you can to find your goal and pursue your passion and you’ll finally get what you want. It did work out with the wrestling, I got on channel five, it was channel 13 and when you do one thing, something else comes out of that.
So you’re in Hollywood, you’re wrestling, people see you in the business, the producers and directors and other actors and all of a sudden they think, “Oh you’d be great on this show I have,” or, “You’d be great for a commercial,” so it goes that way. I think when my mom saw me able to do things, she figured, if you can do that, you could do anything. Why not go back and become a doctor. Well I don’t want to be a doctor, I don’t want to be a lawyer because it’s not like the TV shows on TV, there’s a lot of paperwork, it’s boring. I did what I wanted to do and then this is what I wanted.
It’s a lifestyle and so many people say, I had someone tell me the other day, “You’re lucky, you can do whatever you want all day long. Some of us have to work for a living.” I hate that phrase, we have to work for a living. I work harder than anybody I know 24/7 to put a show together to get guest, to do my graphics. I taught myself how to edit on final cut, how to shoot my show, how to put the inserts and how to do the openings and closings.
I do the whole job from start to finish. Why? Because I wanted to and I had the passion to learn and I’m still learning. I worked a lot harder than eight to five, I don’t even get a paycheck for most of it because I do it out of love. That’s what it’s all about and bodybuilding too is out of love, it wasn’t out of getting the women or having the biggest biceps or for ego, it was about staying in shape and training and enjoying what I do.
Today at 71, I have a ton of injuries from wrestling, I really have bad injuries and joints and getting out of bed in the morning, it’s like everybody wake up meaning your legs, arms and things at the same time hopefully and you can walk into the kitchen. But by the time you eat and you get dressed, you go to the gym, you start to work the kinks out and I know it’s going to feel better, so I do it and where other people my age or even half my age, in their 50’s they say, “Oh I hurt so bad I can’t go to the gym.” That’s BS, you can go to the gym and work it out, there’s always a way around something.
[0:09:12.2] RT: Yeah, and I mean you’ve had some very serious injuries.
[0:09:14.2] RD: I have.
[0:09:14.9] RT: Yeah, some really serious ones. So to know that you get up every day and you put yourself through that, it says something for the rest of us, right? “Oh I’m tired, I don’t have the time. This, that, and the other.” At the end of the day, it’s look it’s, you can get there, you can do what you want, it’s up to you whether or not you just want to do it, that’s the end of the story. Pretty much everything is an excuse. Pretty much.
[0:09:32.7] RD: Always, it is funny, people who know me, why are you limping? I’m tired of explaining why I’m limping and I tell them I do it on purpose because I think it’s sexy.
[0:09:41.0] RT: Yeah, it’s a conversation starter, right?
[0:09:43.4] RD: I try to be sexy. I have a little finger that’s missing, I had an accident. Everybody wants to know how I lost the finger. I don’t’ have the same story twice, we were in San Diego at Comic Con and I was in the elevator with my girlfriend and she’s got a great sense of humor, everybody always looks at her to see if I’m telling the truth because I give them such a straight face and the elevator is full of 10 people and someone’s running to catch the door and I go, “Careful, don’t put your hand on that door, I lost my finger here three years ago in this elevator,” and I showed them.
He said, “Really?” I said, “Yeah, Western Hotel now gives us free stay whenever we come and free food for as many days as we like. I lost a finger but I got a value out of it, I got a free room and food.” So they look at me and they look at her and then they said, “Is this true?” All of a sudden I hear silence and she looks and she just shrugged her shoulders, she says, “What can I say, last week it was an alligator.” You got to keep it fresh. I never told anybody what the real story is and I don’t know if I ever will.
[0:10:36.0] RT: Where do you think that comes from Ric? Because again, whenever I listen to you, there’s always that humor coming out in you. Is that kind of an attribute or a trait you always had or is that something you developed through your time, dealing with whether it’s the public in wrestling, the showbiz aspect of Hollywood, where did you pick that up, if at all?
[0:10:54.1] RD: Well I’m told by my friends that I was always funny in high school, that I always had a sense of humor, which I did. My dad had a great sense of humor and a practical joker to a point but not to hurt anybody of course. I don’t know, I just have good reactions to things, some lady the other day said, “Where are you from originally?” I said, “Vagina, like everybody else.” And she didn’t know what to say.
It just came out of me, I don’t’ know why, it just did. It’s funny and people like that kind of stuff, I love Howard Stern, people like him and the humor and I find something funny in everything that happens. There’s the fun side and a good side to everything. I don’t like the look on the downside or something pathetic because I have friends who stay home and feel sorry for themselves.
“Why are you feeling sorry? There’s so much fun in life, the days go so fast and every day is an experience and I meet new people all the time.” I just put a video out, I send it to you guys. I had two videos training with me, his friend of mine I met is a waiter at a restaurant, very nice guy from Greece, and he wanted to train with me so I have him come in, we have good times, and he said, “we should film this.” I said, “Okay, fine, take my phone and film my workout.” We went to Gold’s and we filmed a couple of body parts and it worked well on YouTube, everybody loved it.
[0:12:03.0] RT: Yeah, I loved that.
[0:12:05.4] RD: So I did part two and everybody loved it. He says, “Well, yesterday was Wednesday, you want to do a part three?” But we’ve kind of exhausted the exercise so I said “No, let’s not do any? Let’s do something that I do after I work out,” because I have a routine I’ve been doing for years and will get Starbucks coffee, sit and talk. Go eat in a restaurant and we’ll just kind of film what goes on.
Well, much to his surprise which wasn’t to me, is I get approached wherever I go by people who think they know me or know me or always have something to stop by and say to me. Wherever I go, without fail. So we went to Starbucks, and at least four or five people came up and I made fun out of that, he recorded it all, we went to lunch and people came up to me there including the young waitress who like to tease with me and flirt with a man.
So that all became part of it and we put it up and now I’m getting great comments on it because it’s real life. That’s just what we did and even down in the 70’s when we work out the gym, we’d go out to eat afterwards at Zuki’s Deli and everybody would come up to us because we were bodybuilders and we were different. But it attracted attention.
So whether people know me when they think they know me, they might think they see me somewhere and they probably have, they always have to come up and talk to me and ask me questions and I always have answers ready for them in some way shape or form but it makes it fun and it puts a smile on their face and biggest thing I enjoy is making somebody happy and putting a smile on their face. That’s what it’s all about.
[0:13:20.6] RT: Well I mean, you can almost tell that just because of the sheer volume of shows that you were a part of and the way that you do express your talents, there’s a lot of — I don’t mean showbiz in what the negative connotation’s attached to showbiz but I guess the entertainment aspect of it. It just seems like this combination of educator and the comedian aspect and you kind of — there’s a term that’s used nowadays, it’s called edutainment. It’s like education, entertainment, you got to kind of merge the two and I find that you do a tremendous job at that.
It’s great seeing the amount of stuff that you do, again, the last interview that we had, I’m not trying to pitch it so people would go back and listen to it, although they should. When you were outlining the stuff that you do, holy moly man, are you sure you’re operating the rest of us 24 hours a day because it sounds like you’re getting a couple more hours compared to us and somehow?
[0:14:10.1] RD: Yeah I know, it does seem like that. In high school, like I said, I was in a rock band and I played and I sang in a band but I was going to a point but if they were to tell me in class I had to give a speech, I’d be the last one to get up. “I’m not getting up in front of people, no thank you.” Then when I get into wrestling, I didn’t have a choice because you’re working in the ring which is basically a theater in the realm and you’re working the audience.
You have to engage, you have to get those people to like you or dislike you and you have to connect which taught me how to do that, it taught me how to do interviews on TV for wrestling and have my character whatever it is I wanted to do. So I think that helped a lot and I think maturity and knowledge gives you more confidence as time goes on you get more confidence. And by doing these shows and then being asked to do other shows, there’s times on actors entertainment, I do a whole hour interview and commercials in between.
On after buzz I would do an hour and I throw all this humor and I watch the stuff I said and I’m like, “That was damn funny, that was fun.” It’s always better when you have other people to work with because I can work with a group of people, like let’s go back to say days of Don Wrinkle, he’d work the audience.
[0:15:11.5] RT: Yeah, that’s right.
[0:15:12.9] RD: That’s where the fun comes in because you can find something about anybody to make it fun without hurting their feelings and see the reaction. So that’s what I do, and it works well.
[0:15:22.1] RT: I miss those roasts that you see on TV like Dean Martin Roasts, the celebrity roasts they used to do, they were so much fun to watch. Johnny Carson show, you would see the interaction between all the different actors and how they were just be on each other’s case and tease each other.
[0:15:34.8] RD: The best.
[0:15:36.4] RT: You don’t quite have that today, I don’t know what it is but you don’t seem to see as much of it nowadays.
[0:15:43.2] RD: I watch some of the YouTube things just to see what’s on there and first of all the way my show came about is I teach wrestling, I was doing Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturdays, I have 16 foot ring in my yard and I have a bunch of little kids and they were doing well. I said, “Let’s learn how to talk on a microphone,” so I’d interview them and put it on YouTube and all of a sudden they created a fan club of a bunch of other kids that were watching them.
So I said, “Look, let’s move this into my garage and I’ll put my EWF banner up and make it look like a set.” They came in there and they started talking about next week at class, I’m going to get this and get that. I thought, “Well, let’s put a green screen up and maybe I’ll do some different backgrounds,” and I taught myself how.
Then I got some of the kid’s dads to do an interview like Robert Patrick in Terminator, his son came and Luke Perry from 90210, his son came. Roger Lodge from Blind Date and all of a sudden I got these celebrities coming in and talk to me about the training I do. And then next thing I know, NBC comes out and they’ve been out at least a half a dozen times if not more, featuring me on the news at night and my school and how I work with the kids and you’re’ so cool and that even came in to more.
So it worked up to where Ric’s Corner came about. Someone said, “Why don’t you call it Ric’s corner?” I said, “Okay.” So then, I built a set and [inaudible], her boyfriend and her dad came over and they took some stuff out of their studio and they built me a nice set in my garage, literally did everything. I used that for quite a while and then just recently about six months ago I moved it in to my house because I had a spare room in the middle of my house which used to be a bedroom, but now it’s a complete video set.
It’s completely setup as a studio and it’s perfect. So it just evolved, and evolved and evolved and then when I get good guests, they come to a nice comfortable place to sit and be interviewed and it just makes you better at what you do. I’ve got I think over 900 and something videos up now, and each time you do one, you get better. It’s like David Bowie said before he passed away years ago. He said, “Reinvent yourself all the time.” Every new album you reinvent the cover in itself.
Well, same thing with the show. New material, new subjects, if you wanna do a monolog, you do a monolog, I brought doctors on that talk about stress anxiety and panic attacks which I thought was important because a lot of people suffer from that. Different things, I’m bringing proctologist on to talk about hemorrhoids which nobody wants to discuss but one out of every three people have them and don’t know how to treat them. Especially body builders who squat heavy, they’re afraid to go to the doctor.
Well there should be no fear if you have an issue, address it and get it fixed. I think that’s the way my show goes, it goes what I do with a bodybuilding and fitness and to medical and I had a man coming on that does investments, he does all my mutual funds, for people who are young and want to put their money away, so they have something when they’re older because most bodybuilders are dead broke, they don’t have any money because they don’t work. So it’s good to have a touch on a little bit of everything. To widen your audience?
[0:18:23.9] RT: Yeah, again, there’s obviously a core aspect, a core theme to the show but these tangential topics and subjects are things that many times, people may not even realize that they’re important or interested in them until they actually get a chance to hear this and when you bring it to their attention like, “Look, this is something you actually do need to pay attention to,” they all of a sudden go, “Yeah, you’re right.” Inside, they’ll realize that this is something I got to pay attention to. You’re kind of in a way almost doing like a PSA, like a public service announcement to a degree with some of these things.
[0:18:54.5] RD: Yeah, I am. I have sponsors that want me to interact and during my conversation and talk about NESTA, the national certified trainers, to incorporate that in my talk which I do because I believe they’re good at what they do and different sponsors, World Gym sponsors me. I believe in World Gym, did a little work for them as well, they treat me very nice. So it’s all what you put out there but when you first start these shows, like we were talking about earlier, on YouTube you get these haters who just want to put down everything you say.
“You’re not right at this, you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re an old man, what do you know? Do you still work out? Doesn’t look like it.” That’s bullshit because you’re trying to do the best you can do. Over time now, I don’t get that anymore. I make get one ever once in a while, it was aiming something derogatory at somebody else who commented but not at me personally. The thing is that the younger generation, I don’t want to sound like my dad, but the younger generation in their 20’s and even, not even 30’s but 20’s or younger. They don’t really know what went back on back in the 50’s and 60’s. they don’t even know what I told them.
Like I told you earlier, when I run the videos of Steve Reeves and the guys from the 50’s with natural physiques, they say, “Oh they wouldn’t hold a kennel to today’s bodybuilder.” Why would you even say that? What does it matter? And, “They are probably on steroids too.” No they weren’t because they didn’t have it back then they these 20 year olds say, “Yes they did.” And I asked them, “How do you know? You weren’t even a thought at that time. You weren’t even close to being born, you don’t know what went on, I knew some of these guys, I know who took what and who didn’t.”
I had a man on last week, Jim Arrington, he’s 83 years old, he still competes down in Venice and still wins, 83 years old. He knows back then that there was nothing available because we’ve talked about it because even I couldn’t get my hands on anything till 1963. So in the 50’s there was very little information or anything at all. These guys, you can tell by their bodies they were naturally strong men, driving spikes through wood with their fist, you’ve see in that. Bending irons, steel irons and rebar and doing strength. Pulling trains and cars, I think one of my videos, John Grimmick and another guy picked up a 1948 Cadillac or something and put it into apartment spots and they both lifted — two men lifted it and moved it.
[0:20:54.9] RT: Yeah, and not just the rear end, the rear end and the front where the motor is. The engine is not the same size as engines nowadays, but still, that thing is a lead sled.
[0:21:05.3] RD: Heavy, heavy stuff. You wouldn’t see today’s bodybuilders do that. The wouldn’t do it, they just don’t do it.
[0:21:11.5] RT: It was interesting, not to cut you off. It was interesting because when I saw that, it made me think of Franco in Pumping Iron when he moved that car, remember they were walking around, I think it was Sardinia and they were trying to find things. “What are we going to do?” Supposedly, “Oh I’ll move this car,” and he picked up this car from the rear end and kind of moved it over, scooched it over a bit to park it and I thought, when I saw the Grimmick video, I wondered, “I wonder if he saw that at some point?” Now who knows, maybe he did, maybe he didn’t.
[0:21:34.1] RD: They could have. Franco was unique, very strong guy and he loved stuff like that. He might have seen that but he is from old school, that doesn’t surprise me that he would do that, that’s the way he was. But today’s guys wouldn’t do it. They don’t do anything strenuous outside the gym.
[0:21:50.6] RT: Yeah, that’s a big difference between back then and now. I really would like to dive in to that in a bit here and talk about the difference. I do know the really old school guys like you said like Grimmick and guys from that era. Strength was a big part of what they did, it wasn’t just look good, but you had to be able to perform and I think correct me if I’m wrong, if you look the part but didn’t perform, that probably didn’t go over so well back then.
[0:22:15.7] RD: That’s true, you had to be strong. That’s when I started training, I went to the YMCA like I said, it was all about heavy bench and heavy squat and lift as much as I can and powerlifting meats we’re in, not so much bodybuilding contests so I would enter the powerlifting meets because that’s what it was. So I think today’s bodybuilders don’t really do that but it gave me a foundation like a house in foundation that was strong, that could handle anything I did after that.
[0:22:19.6] RT: Yeah
[0:22:41.6]RD: With the powerlifting, then you go into the muscle shaping.
[0:22:44.4] RT: Yeah, even Arnold and I think it was just original autobiography there, the education of a bodybuilder, he talked about how his goal was initially to build a 250 pound body and to do so through heavy type of power lifting kind of training and he said, they give you a type of ruggedness throughout especially the center of the body, the lumbers, the traps, the forearms, the thighs, the parts of the body that can’t be built with light weights really, it’s challenging to do that.
He said, “You have to build up the muscle before you can actually tone the muscle and mold it.” He said, “If you don’t have anything to mold, then what are you doing? You got to actually have something to work with.” People don’t realize that. It’s interesting because they don’t realize that guys, like you guys had a big foundation in strength and then going back even further, just to kind of touch on what you said a moment ago, when people talk about the guys form way back when like you have, the old school physical culturist days, that is what you call the silver era, you had Reeves, you had Grimmick and whatnot.
People say that they were on steroids, well there’s a few reasons for that right? They probably just can’t believe that somebody can look like that naturally and maybe they’re just so used to everybody being on it nowadays, it seems, that they don’t even understand what is or isn’t possible. The other thing is, supposedly steroids were invented back in the 30’s or so, and a very rudimentary form of testosterone. But I think what people fail to understand is, okay, maybe that was the case but it wasn’t like this, it was just available on the street or even that any doctor could access it necessarily. I think that’s what people kind of forget. Now there’s a book that was written called Smoke and Mirrors.
[0:24:20.8]RD: I’m actually in it.
[0:24:21.9] RT: Yeah, exactly, yeah that’s one of the reasons why I wanted to bring it up. I believe in that book, I don’t know if there’s two parts of it or not, I forget now. But anyway, they mentioned a letter that Grimmick sent off to somebody about testosterone or some type of a steroid, supposedly there was a letter that he wrote asking about it.
Now, whether or not, they just thought I was like, something like liver tabs or soy, something that you would take to enhance your performance without even understanding that the way we perceive it as a steroid, I don’t know but supposedly there was some truth in that and that’s something that people latch onto. And they’re like, “Oh my god, he definitely built everything he did with this.” Come on guys, wake up, come on, let’s use some common sense here. Okay so, let’s go for a break right now Ric.
[0:25:04.7] RD: Okay.
[0:25:05.6] RT: Then we come back, let’s dive in some detail here with a few of the topics that we’ve been talking about.
[0:25:10.7] RD: Okay.
[0:25:11.6] RT: Okay guys, you’re listening to the Super Strength Show, we got the Equalizer, Ric Drasin on. Check him out, ricscorner.com, RicDrasin.com. He has a great booklet that he put out, it’s downloadable, it’s Bodybuilding for Dumbbells, isn‘t that what it’s called?
[0:25:26.0] RD: Yeah it is.
[0:25:28.2] RT: The Ricipedia of — what was the other one? The Ricipedia — I like that by the way.
[0:25:33.3] RD: Of Steroids.
[0:25:33.7] RT: Yeah, listen, for those by no means am I, I’m not somebody who really talks about that because I don’t really know a lot about it and it’s not something I do but if you’re going to do something like that, you really need to know what you’re doing, you need to get some reliable information otherwise, Ric, would you agree that you can get into trouble?
[0:25:54.0] RD: Absolutely.
[0:25:54.7] RT: Yeah, I don’t just mean.
[0:25:56.2] RD: I have medications I take right now for a test tomorrow. I take half, I don’t even take what the doctor gives me, I want to see how I’m going to react before I take the whole pill.
[0:26:02.8] RT: Yeah. That’s like medication, testosterone replacement or anything like that. You really need to know what you’re doing guys. Again, it’s not a topic I really talk about on the show because like I said, I’m not an expert on it, it’s not something I’ve ever done and I don’t really know a tremendous amount about it. But just like anything else, you really got to get educated. That may be a first stop to kind of get a peek into some things and I think Ric you have some recommendations on your website and whatnot.
I know you did a video with a doctor and a couple of other guys that have started the company that can help people with that. But again, just be careful guys, you don’t want to get silly and if you want Ric, you and I, before starting we could even touch a little bit on that and one of the realities of PED’s — performance enhancing drugs. Some people think it’s just like a magic pill and it’s not, that’s not exactly how it works. We’re going to be right back guys, hold on to your dumbbells, we’ll be right back.
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[0:28:01.0] RT: Okay guys, back with our guest Ric Drasin, the host of Ric’s Corner and a plethora of other shows, definitely check him out online, he’s all over the place. The guy is going nonstop. Ric, before we went to break, we did mention a couple of things I wouldn’t mind us maybe getting into a little bit right now.
So first of all, let’s just kind of wrap up the whole steroid thing. I don’t really want to spend forever talking about that, we’re not MD’s so probably we don’t want to get into too much of that but what can you tell us about them, what can they do, what can’t they do, can you give us just kind of your opinion on them?
[0:28:34.7] RD: Yeah, when I was much younger, the first thing I ran in to was dianabol, that was in 1963 I believe, [inaudible] had taken it. I had a local pharmacist who gave me a bottle of it and it was a five milligram pill, a little blue pill — they don’t make it anymore — by Siva and it worked wonders. I made so many gains and that, it was ridiculous. It was new to me and my body just accepted it.
As time moved on and it became illegal, everybody started buying them from people who were making them at home in their bathtub. A lot of that stuff’s not even real, it’s just oil. They don’t have the proper mixtures of testosterone with the oil, you don’t know what you’re getting, quality control is off. Mexico had it but the quality control was off. So you don’t really know what you’re pumping in your body, sometimes they said that armor all was used for [inaudible].
That’s the last thing I want to shoot. But I don’t think it’s the — what you gain from using steroids, you’ll lose when you go off, you don’t’ hold it in. It will jack you up about four, five pounds of water weight, it makes you feel bigger of course and more pumped, the minute it go off, you lose the four, five pounds of water weight.
If you take your training slowly and you eat properly and you train properly and you’re getting to a point where you have the sticking point and you look good but can’t go past it, then you can boost it up a little bit with something like anabolic with the testosterone or deck or something like that. But only in moderation.
I would never take big amounts, even today with my age, I don 1cc a week of testosterone because of my age, I don’t build it like I used to. If I go two to three CC’s, I don’t see any different but what it does is it retains more water and raises my blood pressure. So why do that? It doesn’t make any sense.
The younger guys at the gym that I see that are taking a lot of stuff like they did for years and years are bloated and full of acne and they don’t have any cuts on them, they look big on a shirt but when they take the shirt off, they just look fat. They don’t train hard like we did back then, they certainly don’t eat right, they’re living off cheeseburgers and fries and it doesn’t — stories don’t work like that. They work off the best of what you put in your body.
I would say, unless you’re really going to compete, and this is funny coming from me because I got all my stuff from Arnold years ago, unless you’re really going to compete and do something with it, where you’re going to make a living and you’re in front of the camera, why do it? It’s just ego. I did it for wrestling because I was against big guys and I needed to look right, I needed to be big and muscular to make any money on that business or also I would suffer.
I did in moderation to look right but I got it from doctors, I got the good stuff, I didn’t get the bogus stuff and I would go off from from time to time then I go back on from time but never a huge amount. So today, what’s out there, I don’t even know what’s real, I don’t know what’s real, what’s not, it’s going to kill you, it’s going to hurt you. I see a lot of my friends recently have had heart attacks, one had a heart transplant.
I don’t think it’s from steroids but it’s form some sort of abuse and the problem is that the media gets a hold of this. When they find somebody who died, if they were a wrestler for example, “Well we found steroids in his medicine cabinet, therefore he died from steroids.” Well that’s not true. I know that a lot of the wrestlers, maybe even binders are on pain medications and the pain medications mixed with alcohol is what kills you, not the steroids. The steroids are basically rebuilding your body, not tearing it down. But the other pills will definitely kill you.
The media has it wrong but people believe that the media is real. I’m going to get off this point in one second but I had Channel Four come out here one night when Google had owned the property that Gold’s Gym sits on. They came to me and they called me, “Can we interview you?” I said, “Well I’m barbecuing right now but send somebody out,” so they did, they call me a lot. They said, “We’re here with Ric Drasin who was from the original Gold’s Gym. We just want his thoughts on Google taking over the original Gold’s Gym down in Venice.”
So I said, “Well, they’re not taking it over.” He said, “Well what do you mean?” He says, “They’re buying it out.” I said, “No, that’s not the original gym. The original gym was on Pacific Avenue, 106 Pacific, and then after a few years it moved over to 2nd street in Santa Monica Boulevard and then the third move was on Hampton where it is now. So this is the third move for the gym, it’s definitely not the original, yes, they call it the mecca, but that has nothing to do with the original gym at all, it’s the third move and three different owners.”
“Oh, we didn’t know that.” But they were so quick to do knots on the news that it was the original and people are going to see that and they’re going to think, “Oh, that’s the original,” but it’s not. The news can say whatever they want and they blow it out of proportion and then people believe it and there’s never a real fact brought about but I did bring it about that night. So now they know.
[0:32:45.2] RT: Yeah, and I mean that’s the thing, it’s so easy for history to be lost because it’s like that old school game telephone everybody’s probably played it one time or another. You start off with one story, could be a sentence long, it could be a word and you say it to one person and by the time it gets five, 10, 20 people deep, I mean oh my god, it’s a completely different thing.
[0:33:04.2] RD: It’s crazy. People have come up to me over the years and they say, “Oh you work a lot?” And I say, “Yeah I did.” “You don’t take steroids do you?” I said, “Well why do you even ask me a personal question like that? What if I do?” “Well they’re going to kill you.” I said, “Where’s your reference?” “I heard it on the news.” I said, “Well, don’t believe what you hear. I’ve been taking it for 40 years, I’m not dead yet.”
“Well, you don’t want to be like the guys in the magazines do you?” I said, “I am one of the guys in the magazine, what are you talking about?” “Yeah, but they’re all big and oiled up.” I said, “Yeah, I am too when I’m in the magazine. But now I’m on the casual wearing a sports coat, I’m out.” “Yeah but you’re big.” “You got a whole different misconception of what I’m telling you.
You want to believe what you see on the news, you want to think that I walk around posed and flexed all the time, that’s not what life is about, this is how it works. I am one of those guys and yes I took steroids and I’m still alive, I’m as handsome as ever. So there you go.”
[0:33:49.1] RT: I don’t know, the new haircut Ric, I got to tell you, it makes you look even better than ever right?
[0:33:53.6] RD: Absolutely. When you shave, no one can ever guess your age.
[0:33:57.1] RT: Yeah, there’s some truth to that but without all those locks that you had in the past, that pretty face of yours is not obscured.
[0:34:03.9] RD: The funny thing is that no one even comes close to guessing my age, I always get 48, 49 which is a compliment. Then, people don’t guess my weight, I asked four people in the gym last week just out of fun, cause I weigh myself every day but I don’t live by the scale, I go by the mirror. “What do you think I weigh?” Two people said 180, 185, one woman said 165, one guy said 190.
[0:34:21.7] RT: Oh my god, that’s way off.
[0:34:23.3] RD: I said, “You’re not even close. I’m 224.” “No you’re not.” “Come and watch me on the scale, I’m 224.” And they just couldn’t even believe it.
[0:34:29.9] RT: Yeah, it’s because you got it where it counts and.
[0:34:32.3] RD: It’s dense, it’s dense muscle, it weighs more absolutely. If I use my phone to take a picture of the scale which I send to my girlfriend, that brings up about four ounces because I’m holding it. But the scale is one thing and it’s a guide to some degree but…
[0:34:45.0] RT: You’re talking about your phone right Ric?
[0:34:47.3] RD: Yeah.
[0:34:48.0] RT: You’re holding your phone, right?
[0:34:49.2] RD: Then if I hold it myself it’s of course more than that.
[0:34:52.4] RT: All right. Before we get into trouble here. Silver era?
[0:34:55.7] RD: Yeah.
[0:34:56.5] RT: What is the silver era?
[0:34:58.8] RD: For some reason, the golden era was 1970, it was all of those guys back in the day where I think I came up with the golden era two years ago and so every uses it now. It is the golden era of bodybuilding because it was a golden time to train. The silver came prior because first you have silver then you have gold. I figured, okay, if the 70’s was the golden era then the 60’s and 50’s had to be the silver era. That’s what I called it and that’s where the other guys came from like Grimmick, and Reeves and Red Louis and those people who…
[0:35:26.2] RT: Ross, we could just name of — there’s so many of them.
[0:35:30.2] RD: Yeah, so many of them. These were the magazines I had as a kid. Funny thing is, going back when I said well my mom trying to instil to me I could do anything, when I was a kid and I read this Muscles magazines, I thought, “Oh this is really cool,” everybody tells me they all read them and then they come to Venice and meet people, then I came down here and next thing I know I’m meeting Arnold and meet Joe Weird, I meet Joe Gold, I meet all the guys.
I’m in the magazines within three months. All over the damn place and I thought, “This just happened and I don’t know how it happened but it happened. From watching the guys, I became one of the guys,” and that’s when my mom is like, “I just can’t believe that you came from a small town and you made a dent in this thing and here you are.”
I said, “You know what? It’s just the way life works, I’ve always been on the right place at the right time and I’ve been very lucky like that, so it is what it is.”
[0:36:14.9] RT: Yeah, also, we need to throw in the fact that you had the work ethic to take advantage of those opportunities because listen, Arnold, the story gets pitched that Arnold just worked his tail off and that’s all he did and people tried to believe that that’s all it was. But that’s not necessarily true, Arnold had some good timing on his side, he also had some people that helped him, some very important people that helped him.
But again, none of that would have mattered if he wasn’t working and if he wasn’t putting the effort in. That wouldn’t have mattered. Same thing with you, there were some good timing on your end possibly and whatnot but ultimately, you were putting in the effort to really make something out of it.
[0:36:52.4] RD: That’s true. With Arnold, he’s very smart, he has a lot of charisma and people like him, he can work his way in and people never forget him. He knew what he was doing and he used his personality for him. Here’s a guy that won the Olympia what? Seven times. Okay, that’s one feat, there’s bodybuilders who win this many times over but then he goes in the movies and I went on his first audition with him for some guys up in Burbank to read, he asked me to come.
People know the story, we got back in the car and he said, “How do you think I did?” I said, “Arnold, forget acting, you’re never going to make it,” and then he surprised me and he did. He wasn’t the greatest actor in the world and he still isn’t but he’s got charisma and people like to see him. He became one of the biggest box office stars. This is one man from best bodybuilder to a big box office star.
Then he decides to get into politics and marries a race driver, comes politician and becomes a governor. How ironic is that? Now he’s hosting the apprentice. Whatever you decide to do and you put yourself out and you can make it happen, he knows how to make it happen. One of the few bodybuilders ever, no one will ever replace him and become what he did. He had the vision and he had the goals and he had the charisma to pull it off.
[0:37:55.2] RT: Yeah, he obviously had a system for success. I mean, I really do love talking about this and some people think, “Oh it’s just because you like to train, you’re just a big Arnie fan,” and I’m like, “No, it’s not just because he worked” — I’m talking about the things he did in addition to simply working out. And he was, like you said, he was able to take the system of a goal achievement and apply it in conjunction with his passion to a variety of fields. I mean he technically reached the pinnacle, three relatively separate fields.
Although, you could say there’s a common thread, which is the salesmanship which pretty much runs through all of life, period. And the showmanship of those three things that he was in bodybuilding, obviously showbiz and then you’ve got politics. Yeah okay, there were somewhat related to a degree but again to be able to parlay whatever fan base he had, popularity he had in bodybuilding at a time when, correct me if I’m wrong, it was a bit of a freak show wasn’t it, to a degree.
It was a very subculture, not too many people really knew about it. If they saw you guys like you said earlier, you guys must have stuck out, it must have been just aliens may have just landed on earth. It could have been the same thing because you guys were so different compared to a lot of the things that they’ve seen.
[0:39:10.7] RD: Totally different.
[0:39:11.8] RT: And then to take that, somehow use that platform that he had to jump into movies and go from there. I mean come on. And yes there was a lot like you said, there was a lot of smart things that happen. Milieus I think was his name said about Arnold in Conan. If we didn’t have Arnold for Conan, we would have had to make one.
[0:39:32.3] RD: True.
[0:39:32.8] RT: The terminator, if you think about it, he played to his strengths.
[0:39:38.3] RD: Exactly. This is exactly what he did.
[0:39:39.6] RT: Yeah, not a lot of lines and the lines that he delivered, that accent worked to his favor, the attitude, just everything worked really well and it’s funny because the original terminator role, that could be argued, it was almost a horror movie to a degree, sci-fi horror flick.
[0:39:55.7] RD: They called it a modern day Frankenstein.
[0:39:58.0] RT: Yeah.
[0:39:58.4] RD: It’s still one of my all-time favorite movies and being friends with Arnold and all that. Yes, I just ran into him last Sunday. I’m still amazed at what he’s done, he’s an amazing guy, he’s a good guy, I have a lot of fun with him, we have a lot of laughs going at it and I Zuki’s deli and hanging out and going on dates with him. He’s just one of the guys and we had gone to Jim Morris’s memorial at Gold’s Gym last, a week ago, Sunday.
He got up and gave a speech and I got up and gave a speech and that’s the first time I’ve seen him in many years. We talked after and he was very nice. He’s older, I’m older, we both walked a little bit slower than we used to but it was all fun, we had a good time but he’s a go getter, he just goes after stuff and his ego is big and that’s a part of it but so what? It made him a star.
[0:40:39.2] RT: Well, okay, hold on for a minute, let’s think about this for a second. About people who have a problem with “big egos”. Okay there’s having a big ego and being a prick. Like an absolute prick. That’s what a lot of people, they relate big ego to being a prick. Some guy that you just don’t want to be around.
The reality is, many times, this whole big ego thing, it’s like, I don’t know, like a top gun pilot, like an elite soldier of some sort. You got to have that belief in yourself to even consider taking on such a lofty goal. You’re not going to take on a big goal if you think you’re a nobody or just a regular dude that just, he doesn’t really deserve — it’s not going to happen.
You got to have that belief in yourself that yeah, I am the best and I am going to make this happen and that rubs some people off the wrong way because a lot of people are just not used to being around that. It just seems very foreign to them because the average person just doesn’t operate like that.
And that isn’t a dig at anybody by any means but it’s just different. It’s just like, when you see a bodybuilder character guy that I got to get the meals into me, it’s just really strange. “You really got to lug all that food around with you? Got to lug around that water with you? That’s kind of strange.” It’s just different.
This is kind of part and parasol of the type of life that they’re living in achievement that the goals that they’re going after. Now, you said — oh go ahead, say what you got to say and I got to ask you a question.
[0:41:57.8] RD: Funny you should bring that up because I just had this conversation with a guy this morning and said, “I’m raised in a small town, 98 miles north of here. Might as well be Alaska because it’s completely different than Los Angeles, the mindset is different, they’re very slow, it’s redneck, it’s just not the same mindset, they won’t even come here to visit me, it takes an hour and 20 minutes to come here.
To them, it’s the big city, I’ve changed, I’ve moved ahead on a different zone and to them they’re happy being like they were in high school and talking about the car you had in school, or what clothes you wear, that’s their mindset. However, doing what I’m doing, it’s my job to promote myself, it’s my job to do social media and keep pushing Ric Drasin because he’s a commodity and he’s a thing that he’s got to push.
That’s what I have, it’s him and his image and so I do that because it’s business and it’s really all it is. I’ll talk to anybody that’s not going to have my head in the clouds but I got to market myself in order to get ahead. So when I send my emails out with all my shows I do every three days and I send to everybody in my mailing list, I send it to all my friends in my home town. At least six or seven of them.
Not one of them ever reply, only one does, not any of them ever replied to me, “Gee, we’re proud you’re doing well, that’s fun, that looks like fun.” Nothing’s ever said for years and all my other friends always respond and I keep thinking, “Why don’t they respond to what I’m doing? You guys are my oldest friends, where is this support team here?” Not a word comes out.
And then I’ll call them, “Oh yeah I got it, keep them coming, that’s nice,” but I don’t understand that, you try to do something nice and push yourself and you get no credit from the guys, your oldest friends you went to school with.
[0:43:22.0] RT: Who knows Ric? Some arm chair psychology here, I’m no Dr. Phil but I mean, who knows, it could be anything from maybe there’s a bit of jealousy, maybe a bit of resentment, maybe it just — they don’t really connect with it, they don’t really understand exactly what you’re doing and there’s no real negative intentions by any means. It could be a bunch of different things.
[0:43:38.7] RD: Well I text a few of them, they don’t even return text.
[0:43:40.9] RT: Okay. Are you sure these are your friends Ric?
[0:43:44.6] RD: Well, not anymore, they’re my older friends and there’s some good guys, one of them tells me he just remembers the old times of high school and joys, I understand that. I told him, I said, “My old times are not high school. My old times are Venice when I moved to Venice,” he said, “But you’re over here from here.”
I said, “I’m from there but that wasn’t my life and playing the band on high school and then I moved, I went to Venice and hung out with all the guys at the gym and to me that’s my youth. That’s where I grew, that’s where I mold myself in this stuff, not at the field up till 16 years old. That’s a small part of my life now.”
[0:44:13.4] RT: That’s when you really found your own stride when you move. Let’s talk about that for a minute. Tell me briefly about the switch when you moved there and then you said, for example with Arnold and stuff like that, you went out, how different was it, what was life like back then for you guys?
I know you’ve done a lot of videos on your channel. We don’t necessarily have to get into too much of it because I highly recommend people go and watch the various channels, you’ve talked a lot about the golden era and old school type of training and whatnot. But just in general, what was it like back then? Because I’m assuming that Venice Beach, it’s not the same as it was.
[0:44:46.6] RD: not near the same. I came from a small town. It’s 98 miles but it’s completely different than LA. Played in a band on Friday, Saturday nights in high school and college dances, I have a guitar like I said. I’ve had dates but if I didn’t have dates, I was always playing in the band on the weekend but I met a lot of women, girls would come up to me all the time, I was a good looking kid, blue eyes, good body and my girlfriend said, “God, you guys were hot, they all came up to you.” Yes they did.
I had my fun and I had a good time, having a serious girlfriend at that age was — it’s not in the cards for me although I had one for a year but she moved away to college. And then coming to LA and living down here, completely different world. You go to a club and there’s gorgeous women everywhere, not that that was my main goal but my god, it was like a kid in a candy store. Then you go into the gym like Bill Pearls in the middle of Englewood which wasn’t the greatest, it’s like south central, get out of Compton type area.
I had learned some good training moves from Bill and the rest of the guy, made some good progress there and I was looking in Torrent working for a Kellogg cereal which I did not want to do but it got me here, gave me a company car and then I decided to quit, move to Venice and walk in Gold’s and met Arnold and the guys and I knew this is where I need to be.
Growing up, my parents had always taken me to Santa Monica and Venice during the summer for a month. And I said, “Someday I wanna live here. I don’t want to live in the desert, I want to be near the water.” So I made the move on my own in ’69, went to work for Kellogg, moved in to Venice. I was back at the beach where I wanted to be, I had an apartment across from the ocean, one black, two bedroom, two bath for $165 a month which was dirt cheap. If I walked outside the gym the other way, Joe Gold built World Gym years later, so I had both gyms.
[0:46:20.2] RT: Man, unreal.
[0:46:21.7] RD: So the lifestyle was different, we hung out together we got to the beach together and weekends we were all hanging out and the Friday and Saturday nights we go to the marina which is a mile away. Well the marina where all the boats are had all the night clubs and all the night clubs had all the women and they had all the parties and all the fun.
So we as bodybuilders would go down there and hang out and around 5 o’clock on a happy hour and these guys would walk around trays of chicken wings like hundred something. We’d all take them to a table and eat them all for free because we wanted our protein. Then I had friends who were pretty outgoing, they’d bring girls up, “Hey, feel Ric’s abs, feel his arms.”
These girls are going crazy, they never saw anybody like this, they didn’t know what to think of it. Instantly you always went home with one of them. You never had a problem, it was just so easy it was ridiculously easy. We had a good time and I’ll never forget that because it wasn’t really expensive to get around, I never really drank, so I picked up a glass of soda water and walked around with it just to have something in my hand.
Then we get girls in the club and we bring them out front with the bouncers because we usually knew the bouncer, there’s a big over head light, we give them a light test. If they look good in the light, we take them home, if they’re not, we’d toss them back in. It’s like catching a fish and tossing it back.
We would laugh at stuff like this and some guys would put a recorder on the bed and bring to the gym, “Listen to this girl scream while I’m do her.” I’m telling you, we had a lot of fun, those are the days I remember, those are my growing days, that’s where I established myself and met people and did movies and films and the guys in the gym were all cool. Many of them worked at the studios as electricians or grips and Joe Gold had the group that we had and then he had what he called the second team or the background players.
He had a name for it, the background players, which were the guys that were around the peripheral of us that weren’t really stars but they were part of the group. They were part of all of us that’s made who we were and the friends that we hung out with. Each one was unique, each one had a nickname, each one brought his own personality to the table that you don’t see today.
It was a camaraderie that I never see anything like it and you’ll never see it again. You go down there now, I go down at Gold’s on a Sunday and I know some people there, some of the old guys and a lot of the new guys know me from my show, a lot of people from out of town, always come up to me but it’s a different group and many of the other guys today that are down there are in awesome shape.
Not like years ago. Only a few people are in shape. Most of the people in the day in their 20’s and 30’s that come down are in really good shape, they’re doing CrossFit, they’re different exercise but they’re all lean, hard abs and that’s an attractive body, they don’t have to be huge.
[0:48:38.8] RT: Yeah, like more of the classic south, even an athletic type of a build.
[0:48:42.6] RD: I think so. I think that is much more appealing and then you’ll see some of the other pros down there that walk around like elephants that can’t even move when they walk, you’ve seen that before. They’ve got that slow deliberate walk and they can’t hardly move and it’s like, okay, they got off on that stuff but those guys are so juiced up, god knows what they’re taking. I mean they all have the same sort of body. I dunno, I never found that appealing but there’s people who do it and they have their own audience. But there’s people that do and they have their own audience but overall, the girls and the guys that grate down there, they’re all in good shape.
[0:49:10.8] RT: Do you know any guy from your era who looks at the modern era and the bodybuilders on stage and thinks — I’m talking about the big time guys, the guys that are like you said, they’re like land whales man, they’re massive. Do you know any of the guys from your era, maybe a few years after, a few years before who look at that and say, “Man, it would have been great to be able to build ourselves up to that level.”
[0:49:31.7] RD: No, I never heard that ever.
[0:49:33.1] RT: Yeah, I didn’t think so.
[0:49:35.1] RD: Actually it all relate to something else, even wrestling has changed. When I started wrestling, old school wrestling, we got Freddy Blassie and all the guys that made the ring work very believable, each one was tough in his own way. I mean they ran a match, you didn’t have to do it 15 things in the ring. They all had three or four different moves and how to tell a story and how to sell.
That’s what made a match work. Get the people off their feet and get them to hate you and get them to go crazy. Today everybody’s jumping all over like jumping beans, all the guys are in shape and it’s not what it used to be. I remember I read Bastien who passed away a few years ago was one of the top notch wrestlers in the world, he was a booker for WWE and he said to me. “Ric.” I said, “What? What is wrestling today? I don’t even know what to call it.” He said, “I don’t know what they’re doing out there.” I said, “I don’t either. It’s completely different world than it was when we were in it.”
But everything evolves and moves forward. Bodybuilding, wrestling moved forward, acting’s moved forward. Special effects and movies are top notch now but that I could appreciate. restaurants are like, 20 times the price than when I was in high school, gasoline is like 10 times a price. So everything moves forward and that’s just life, you have to accept it or you stay home.
[0:50:33.9] RT: Ric, I got to tell you, it’s real easy, you go online and you see comments like for example on let’s say YouTube discussion forums and you’ll see people talking about a lot of the old school stuff and this is not guys, older guys, this is guys like this generation. Look at that stuff and we say, “Man, we really wish we had that again, why don’t we have that? We’re not too happy or satisfied with where we’re at right now with a lot of things.” Not everybody but there is a substantial amount of people, which is I think one of the reasons why they started up with that whole classic physique deal with, for example, bodybuilding,
[0:51:06.0] RD: That’s just one of the reasons right there.
[0:51:09.4] RT: You see.
[0:51:10.8] RD: Go ahead, I’m sorry.
[0:51:11.2] RT: I was going to say you see it with a lot of stuff, there’s a bit of that with music, you see that with wrestling, you see that with bodybuilding. I mean there’s a lot of different areas where yes, yes we’ve advanced and a lot of good things have come out of it but it’s just like a lot of things, you can go too far. And it kind of — “Okay, all right.” It’s like the point of diminishing returns. We gained a lot of knowledge, we got a lot out of taking it this far but I think we’ve went a little too far, we need to come back a little bit. We’ve somewhat overdone it.
[0:51:39.4] RD: I think so too. Especially with the women in the past few years that were on the steroids, a lot of them look like men. I mean they get the lines in their face, and they’re too big and there’s a handful of them and then you have the fitness models now who look really good but one thing I don’t like is the spray tan. They’ve made themselves so dark and oily looking with the spray tan, it just doesn’t even look real.
[0:51:57.2] RT: It doesn’t, yeah, exactly.
[0:51:59.6] RD: Years ago, the lifestyle was sun worship. You lay in the sun at the beach, you got a nice glow and you put a little oil on, you go to the show and do your posing. Everybody did that back in the day, we didn’t use spray tan back then. A lot of the women today, no disrespect to them, they all look good but they all look alike. I can’t tell one from the other. And their posing routines, they get on stage, they put your butt out in the back, turn this way with one arm folded in, it’s like that doesn’t look — I want to see a nice graceful body posing.
[0:52:22.6] RT: Yeah, you know it’s funny that pose you’re talking about the whole push the bucket, butt out in the back, you think a lot of guys would be like, “Oh that’s great.” There’s just something about that that seems really weird and almost degrading to a point to women.
[0:52:35.0] RD: It doesn’t do a thing. Guys say, “Doesn’t that turn you on?” I say, “No, it’s like overkill, it’s like I just came out of a sea of candy and I don’t want any chocolate.” It’s just so much of it that they all began — and I’ve had several girls on my show, they’re nice girls. Individually, they sit and they talk to me and they come in my house and we sit and they look fine sitting and talking to me but the minute they get on stage I look at them, “Hey I don’t’ find that appealing at all, it just doesn’t look good.”
[0:52:56.3] RT: Yeah, and I mean again, to each his own. They say the beauty is in the eye of the beholder but yeah, there’s something to be said about, and again, I’m not trying to knock women by any means, if that’s what somebody want to do that’s great. But when it’s take to the extreme, the physique just, it really doesn’t look feminine anymore.
[0:53:12.7] RD: No. But they’ll say the same thing about the guys. They’ll tell me, “Ric, I don’t like these guys, they’re so big. You have such a nice body and then it’s so appealing,” and even at my age, my girlfriend’s 20 years younger. She says, “Oh your body is so sexy and appealing the way it is right now.”
I said, “I’m happy being leaner, I don’t need to be huge. I’ve been there, done that. I don’t have anything to prove.” Then these younger guys go, “Well don’t you want to be big like you used to?” I said, “No, I don’t care to be. Why? What am I trying to prove?”
[0:53:32.8] RT: But even when that look that you had in the past, that golden era look. I mean you’ve got to be kidding me, that is miles ahead of in my opinion stuff that we got now on the stage because they’ve gotten so big, the proportions just don’t look right. In clothes it doesn’t look good, it’s gotten too far. Now, there are a few guys that do have some nice lines to them but the majority of them is just — and I can appreciate it. I appreciate the development, the size, I kind of get that part of it but I don’t know man, not for me anyway.
[0:54:11.0] RD: Like Rich Piana, Rich Piana is a very close friend of mine, has been for years, he’s a wonderful guy. I love Rich, he just treats me like gold, he’s just the nicest guy in the world. But he puts on a demeanor that he’s not like that, that he’s rough and tough and every other word is “fuck this” and “screw this” on his website or on his videos. Now he went from 280 to over 305.
Her tattooed himself from head to toe and his teeth whitened, he’s done all this stuff to himself, we’ve got commercials together, we did a Dr. Pepper, I got in on it when I was a wrestler, we didn’t have any tattoos and no disrespect to him at all, this is the way he wants to live his life but when you’re doing commercials and film and the minute you start getting ae full body tattoos, you completely knocked yourself out of the ballpark for work. No one’s going to hire you.
Especially that size. I mean he looks like my cartoon drawings, but this is what he’s capitalizing on, he gets the longest lines in the fitness show, he gets the biggest fan mail, has the best viewers on YouTube because he found a niche from guys that like that. But there’s only a group that, the ones outside the group don’t follow that.
[0:55:06.6] RT: But he says himself, he does not like being that big, he’s like, basically right now he’s doing that whole deal where like you said he’s putting on all the size but he said, “The minute I’m done with this,” he said, “I’m dropping right back down to,” he said, “I prefer being 260-ish.” He’s like, “That’s what…”
[0:55:19.4] RD: Oh yeah, it’s too uncomfortable, very uncomfortable.
[0:55:21.5] RT: Yeah, so I mean 300 plus pounds on a six, six foot two frame, that’s a lot of weight to be lugging around.
[0:55:28.8] RD: He’s even six feet actually.
[0:55:30.7] RT: Pardon me?
[0:55:31.7] RD: I don’t think he’s six feet, he’s my height.
[0:55:32.8] RT: Yeah, so there you go. I mean that’s just again — the funny thing is, yeah he’s massive, but compared to some of the guys that I’ve seen on stage, he almost looks more pleasing than some of the guys on stage for somebody of that size. He seems to have more of an appreciation for keeping the waist tight and putting the size in the areas where it makes the most sense like the shoulders.
But yeah, at the end of the day I agree with you completely. I mean again, I kind of get what’s going on and I can appreciate that but just imagine the guys your era and then imagine before. Imagine a Grimmick if he saw that. Reeves, Ross, all those guys. If they saw what’s going on now, Kono, Tommy Kono. If they saw these stuff today, I mean at first it would probably be shock. They’d be like, “Oh my god,” considering what they had to do to build their bodies but then once they were able to wrap their mind around what was going on, I can imagine that they’d be too keen on what was happening.
[0:56:27.0] RD: I think Larry Scott and Don Howorth, a little bit of the beginning of that, they had those kinds of builds only on a smaller degree.
[0:56:31.9] RT: Yes. They were obviously, you know, I mean Larry he said himself that he was — you’d know better than I would, but d-bol and god knows what else he was available for him back then. Yeah, they were kind of the beginning of that bit of freakiness was going on.
[0:56:49.7] RD: Yeah, and Howorth with his diamond, his delta, what’d they call them? Cannonball delts. Yeah, they were big, and his arms matched. I mean that was a good build, it wasn’t extreme like it was now but that was obtainable, it was obtainable.
[0:57:02.4] RT: Exactly. They still had that — that’s this thing with you guys too. You guys were obviously big. Once you wrap your mind around the fact how much fat free mass was on your body, I mean you guys were tremendously developed. But because of the way that your physiques were developed, it still had an appealing look and I think it’s because you could look at that and say, “Yeah, you think that might be possible for me if I worked really hard.” It still seem within the realm of possibility for a body to look like that.
Yes obviously again, you guys just looked amazing. I look at pictures of Serge Nubre — oh my god man. I mean he seriously looked like somebody carved him. Just his proportions, his lines, the way those — the pecs and the traps, the way they float into his arms and into his waist. I mean just, he looked amazing. I could go down the list of all the different guys. Zane, everybody, I can just go down this list. Yeah, looking at that, even an Arnold who was a freak back then.
[0:57:59.2] RD: Yeah.
[0:57:59.5] RT: You could look and you’d say, “I think that might be possible to pull off, if you had the general frame for that.” And it didn’t take long after that and it just became too crazy and just, you could tell that something didn’t look right, it’s like women, when they look at guys that are over developed, for the most part it’s not something that they’re in to, if it’s too crazy and I think that’s because we’re programmed deep down inside to know that something isn’t right there. At a subconscious level. Something is not right, this isn’t real, this isn’t natural, something’s off here.
[0:58:28.0] RD: If you lined all those guys up from them, the silhouette was done before on the stage, you can tell each person whose body it is if you line them up today, you have no idea.
[0:58:36.1] RT: Yeah, they all look the same for the most part. Yeah, I agree with you. There’s Cedrick McMillen I think is one of the guys that has a nice physique kind of like a Shawn Ray which is the closest type of physique you’re going to get to what you guys had. That guy really should be winning in my opinion but again, it’s not something I follow too much.
[0:58:52.0] RD: Bill Grant, he still looks good.
[0:58:53.7] RT: Yeah, Bill Grant, I’ve seen him on your show. Yeah he does. He looks great.
[0:58:55.6] RD: [Inaudible] still looks good.
[0:58:57.1] RT: Who was it again?
[0:58:58.7] RD: Robbie Robinson.
[0:58:59.6] RT: Oh he does big time, I’ve had him on and you got to be kidding me. He looks incredible. He was on tour I think, right now I think he left to go on tour he was telling me. In the spring.
[0:59:12.0] RD: He’s worked hard, his diet’s right on the money. He knows what he’s doing.
[0:59:15.8] RT: Yeah, definitely, definitely. He dials it in every year, he’s got all of his photos he’s posting and that’s what’s possible. If you stay on top of your stuff and you pay attention, you were saying that heavy weights over time, poor form, that’s going to mess you up and that’s one thing I think there’s a misconception, they don’t realize that the way you guys trained, it wasn’t about necessarily always throwing around big massive weights, especially later on in your career once you develop that foundation of muscle.
[0:59:40.4] RD: Well, the thing with the powerlifting background, you had to have the two second pause on the bench press, you had to have good form, that’s based on good form. Even this guy who used to own the gym that I went to, and he’s probably 90 something now. Always telling me what great form I had. I did and I still do to this day. It’s just how the muscle works. And then I see people in the gym throwing the weights around.
One guy that comes, he has a trainer, he does everything wrong. He goes on the machine and he’s doing press outs, sitting, the last inch back and forth, just up and down without bringing the weight all the way down, he does curls standing with a dumbbell and he swings the way back and swings them way back. His trainer doesn’t tell him not to do it.
I don’t understand how this guy can’t say, “Hey, you’re doing this wrong.” But it seems like a lot of people that just don’t do it and then you see these guys real heavy weights, trying to bounce the weight up and doing everything to get it up. Why? You’re not working the muscle, you’re just using force. And so it’s just hard to educate. I stop people and tell them, and a lot of them thank me for correcting but most of the people you can’t even get to everybody.
[1:00:41.9] RT: No you can’t, unfortunately. How about we do talk about that here. Can you tell me the pros and cons I guess of the way you trained maybe even the way the silver era guys kind of train. How did their training affect you guys and then how did you guys evolve the training to the next level and if you wouldn’t mind, just compare that with what you see going on nowadays and not necessarily with the guys that do things completely wrong. But just the average type of way that people you see training nowadays compared to the way you guys do things.
[1:01:10.6] RD: Nothing’s wrong if it works for you. Now I’ll go back over this in a minute, but I’ve seen guys in the gym, there’s some pretty good bodybuilders today from the past that did everything along and they still grew. For some reason they still make progress even they didn’t do things correctly and we can never figure out why.
But back in those days with Reeves and all of them, when I first started working out, fyms were only opened three days a week. All the gyms were open Monday Wednesday and Friday if there were any gyms for men and Tuesday and Thursday for women. They never incorporated the two together, you had men’s day and women’s day. I worked for two gyms like that and one was a universal club and they had women working on women’s day and men work on men’s day.
All right, you can only do so much three days a week. You would try to work, I know that Reeves worked the whole body three days a week. Three exercises, 10 reps. Chest, back, shoulders, arms, legs, the whole body. Well we did that and I did it. And I made some good progress, it’s very tiring but I did it. Then overtime I started realizing, I better break it down a little bit different. I can’t do this every day.
And so I went to two days a week and everything when I went to Bill Pearl’s gym because he was open every day. So I did chest and back one day, again on Thursday, Tuesday, shoulders and arms, you get on Friday and legs on Wednesday again on Saturday. So I had two days in between each body part. That always work best for me. I started training with Bill Grant, we just worked out four days a week. That worked pretty good for a while. Now today, a lot of guys do one body part a week, that’s it. They’ll do one body part a day and the next body part tomorrow. I never got much out of one day a week.
[1:02:37.7] RT: Well the science supports what you did. The science says when it comes to muscle building, a 48 hours, 72 hour window is really all you need between hitting the muscle, again you’re not annihilating and destroying the muscle every time you go into the gym obviously. It’s a little bit lower volume compared to a full day of just focusing on one muscle group. When you’re doing a muscle group multiple times a week, the overall volume per session is going to be a little bit less compared to the workout if you do it once.
[1:03:04.6] RD: Yeah, but I know even back then, not today, but even back then, I went heavy and hit a hard every work out. I remember standing with Arnold at the rack, we did those dumbbell presses where you twist and go all the way out. You know which ones I’m talking about? You face you palms, and you twist as you go up.
[1:03:18.7] RT: The Arnold presses?
[1:03:19.4] RD: He and I came up with those one day, just the two of us together. So I guess they gave it the label “Arnold Presses”, but you can call it that. We would start with the 25’s, work up five pounds all the way up to the 80’s. By the time we got to the 80’s, man, you’re like dragging, “Oh shit.”
So he’s say, “Let’s do the 80’s and go back down to 25 nonstop,” and we’d follow each other up and down, up and down. Alright ,so you go up one way and come down, and then we’d do the same thing with laterals, as heavy as you can get and all the way down. That was completely the shoulder work out what my shoulder got round and big on that workout. We did it twice a week.
Then you switch over to do some points and smith machine press superset with lateral raises. I forget, so many — we had so many different routines. But I would go pretty much heavy every workout because I was young and it felt good and I was getting progress. But today I don’t go heavy like that. I don’t even do benches, I do machines. You still work the muscle, no matter what you do, you’re still working at.
But the twice a week was good, it worked well. The once a week does work for some guys, they like it, they get good results. I don’t feel like I ever got enough after I was coming down the other way.
[1:04:18.1] RT: Now when you look at the old school training, the silver era, how they would do full body routines, three times a week normally and then you come into your era and it seemed like you guys were doing more of a split. Although you did train the body parts multiple times a week, it wasn’t like full body routines every time you went to the gym, would that be correct?
[1:04:37.8] RD: No.
[1:04:39.6] RT: How did that end up happening and how did you find that?
[1:04:41.2] RD: I don’t know? I think that when I walk in the Gold’s Gym, that was just the way people were doing stuff, and so I just fell in line with it. Even at Pearls too, they were doing things. The way I grew up because I moved to a bigger city where things that were more advanced. I did do something in 2001 I tore both my quads off my legs and I was in a wheelchair and a walker, had leg braces, I couldn’t bend my legs for six weeks.
[1:05:03.8] RT: That was from wrestling, right?
[1:05:05.6] RD: Yeah, “I got to go to the gym,” I said, “I gotta go to the gym.” So I got in a car and drove myself every day. I had a big Lincoln at the time and I was able to drive although I wasn’t supposed to. I went in with a walker, “I got to find something to do.” So I went to the machines where I could sit and do certain things for chest, back, shoulders, and arms. I would kind of break it up a couple of sets here and there but I worked it every day.
Same upper body, every day, just less sets, for probably two, three weeks, maybe longer and my body really grew. I mean it looked great but I wasn’t doing legs because I couldn’t. So I just put my efforts into something else and it was a nice little test because it worked for me. And then I was told years ago that this would find exercises to work by taking one day only and taking one movement only. Like say rope triceps pull down and he would do them 20 sets and if he would sore he knew that that exercise was good.
[1:05:55.1] RT: Sore in the area he wanted to be sore. Tell us a bit about Vince? You recently, I believe you had a few videos dedicated to him. Tell us a bit about him because.
[1:06:03.2] RD: I have been in his gym once or twice, I didn’t know him very well but Charlie Fallice is one of those guys that trained there, and I had mentioned him in my articles, I even have a book I haven’t finished yet. We had like rival high schools. Let’s say you had east high and west high, we were the west high in the beach and they were the east in the valley.
So we’re basically 17 miles apart but one of our beach people and they’re valley people. Valley is always like summer hot, more desert where I live now. So you had Arnold and the guys and all of us down in Santa Monica and then you had Charles Falls and Larry Scott, Dan Hallworth, Bill McArnold, Steve — I forget his last name. All these guys training out here and then Vince also trained Clint Eastwood, Robert Blake, Clint Walker and all the stars from Universal Studios because they were only four minutes away. So he got all the movie stars.
Vince had body sculpting, he was more no squats, no benches, body’s sculpting and all these guys had great bodies. Vince was an arrogant gym owner that didn’t like everybody and if he didn’t like you he’d kick you out, he wouldn’t give you the time of the day. He just got to be that way and Joe Gold had to be that way too. Even Joe Gold was treating me like his son. I think what I analyzed out of all that after having gyms for so many years and having so many flakes come in and out and dropping weights and leaving the showers dirty that you began to hate people.
You began to think, “I don’t want this guys in my gym, they’re screwing up everything, they’re dropping weights and breaking things.” You become very nasty towards people because it’s destructive and I get that. I find the same thing with wrestlers, I train guys on Saturday, I find people who call me, they’re going to be super stars, they got their entry music, they’re ready to go 160 pounds 5’8” and I go, “No you’re not. Take a look in the mirror and see, do you look like these guys?” So it’s kind of turned me off on training wrestlers because people look in the mirror, they don’t know what they see.
I mean bodybuilders, they look in the mirror and they think they’re the best in the world and the guy haven’t even work out. So Vince only took select few and worked with them. He knew the guys that were good and he worked with him. The rest of them they trained there and he tried to help them but those that listen got something out of it. He is very smart. Very, very smart. And then the back then they had, there were no supplements really, just a very few and one of them was Rheo Blair Protein.
And Rheo Blair had a great protein, had great supplements, it’s very expensive. Arnold introduced me to him, I did some shots for his products and I got my supplements for free, which was a great deal and Vince’s guys were always on the Blair’s protein and cream. The idea is that the protein and the cream worked together. Cream is full of fat, it gives you energy and protein builds muscle. Therefore you don’t need any carbs.
So the theory worked and people were like telling people how we train with no carbs, “You’re lying, how could you do that? You guys were taking too many steroids that’s why you didn’t use the carbs.” It had nothing to do with it. Yes you run out of energy but you eat egg yolks and you eat fats and that way the fats burn up as energy and then one day a week you go and you blached yourself with some carbs and you get sick and you say, “Okay I’m done for the week.” A lot of people don’t want to listen to that, but it works.
[1:08:49.3] RT: Yeah well I mean it’s a technique people do nowadays. It’s called ketosis and carb back loading. Yeah.
[1:08:55.1] RD: We never looked at it that way though, we just did it. I never knew what ketosis was, I didn’t know what back loading was, I didn’t know any of that stuff.
[1:09:02.2] RT: I don’t’ think anybody knew what that stuff was back then. I mean even the scientist, I don’t even think they really were at the point of understanding what that was.
[1:09:07.4] RD: And we didn’t even count calories, I don’t know how many calories I got. I think now I just get like 1,900 a day but it wasn’t important. The important thing was to eat. Eat protein, and eat protein, and get your fats. We didl eggs, hamburger patties, cottage cheese, eggs, hamburger cheese omelet at 11 o’clock at night and that was the way it worked. Protein supplements were few, I bought raw fish powder, took it with water, made me sick.
[1:09:27.7] RT: What in the world?
[1:09:29.3] RD: Jim Morris took liver — Jim Morris took liver from the butcher and he put it in a grinder with water and drink it down and I think, “God, we’d go to any extreme just to get that protein in.”
[1:09:37.9] RT: Paul Anderson used to supposedly drink blood.
[1:09:40.5] RD: Yeah, I’ve heard that.
[1:09:42.7] RT: He had this weird mix he would make, he would go to the slaughter house and get it. And anyway.
[1:09:46.3] RD: Well they used to make — at the slaughter house they’d make blood pudding.
[1:09:48.8] RT: Yeah, which is really appetizing looking.
[1:09:53.0] RD: It’s not for me. I like vanilla pudding.
[1:09:57.2] RT: Okay, so kind of at the end of the show here, we’re going to wrap it up soon but what would you say people today, the way they train, what are some of the pros that you see, like some of the positives in the way that people train today? The people who are really training correctly in a sense that they’re dedicated to their training, they’re not just kind of going in there just throwing weight around?
[1:10:15.5] RD: Well I’m not in Venice that much anymore, so I don’t know too much what they’re doing down there. But when I do see them training, they’re training hard, they’re doing their body parts, they’re splitting them up like we did and they’re putting a lot of effort to make sure every rep counts and that is positive. I see a lot of that. I see a lot of the other. But the guys that are making it positive are the ones that are getting the bodies.
Yes they’re gawking and walking around with their water and walk around this and that. I used to think it was kind of funny but I don’t really think it’s funny anymore because you do need a lot of water and if you carry it with you, you’ll drink it, if you don’t carry it with you you’re not going to drink it. I found that out for sure.
I’m not going to seek out a glass of water if I don’t have to. But if I have a bottle with me, I’ll sip it all day and that’s the key for dropping your body fat and keeping hydrated is carry the water with you, and it makes sense to me. Sometimes they’ll put a little bit of a workout drink in with it to keep them going which is fine. So I respect that, I think it’s a good idea.
Protein bars I get those for free but I don’t’ know if they’re really good for you, I eat them once in a while. But the guys I see training properly are the ones that are making the gains. It’s the ones that don’t, they come to the gym and dap and they don’t even know what to do and like I said, when I see them doing something wrong, I correct them. There’s a tricep exercise with a rope and I’m sure you’ve done it, we’ve all done it where you stand there and you do tricep push downs right? When you come down, you come down all the way to flex the tricep is that what you do?
[1:11:26.8] RT: Well, the way I do it, I kind of lean over a tiny bit at the waist and then will come straight down and get that full extension but I try to do it in a way where if you’re standing straight up, when you come all the way down, the tension is on the tricep anymore because the rope’s pulling almost straight up.
[1:11:42.6] RD: Oh no, I meant, when I see this one guy do, he comes down, when he gets to the bottom, his hands kick out to the side, his wrist kicks off the side.
[1:11:49.7] RT: Oh yeah, yeah, I’ve seen that before.
[1:11:50.9] RD: I don’t know why he’s doing it. This is the same guy I told you that had the trainer. He looks like he’s struggling with it and he hates it and it’s too heavy and he’s having a hard time and the ropes kick out, and I’m thinking, “This isn’t how you do this. Lighten the weight 20, 30 pounds and just do it slow and correct. How hard is that?” But I see people do this and if I say something I’ll get carried away so I don’t say anything.
[1:12:11.5] RT: Yeah. I think pretty much anybody, if they simply lighten the weight that they use. 10, 20, even 30%. Hell, even half the weight potentially. Specifically on the smaller type isolation movements. But hell, even try it on your big compound movements and really focus on doing proper form and getting that muscle you’re trying to target to do all of the work. Now, I’m not saying that going heavy doesn’t work, it definitely does.
What happens when you get into the mindset of constantly pursuing more weight on the bar, that becomes the goal as supposed to training the muscle.
[1:12:51.1] RD: Yeah.
[1:12:51.2] RT: All of a sudden now you’re getting into just whatever it takes to get that bar moving and now we’re getting into the realm of, “Okay, now your training is not as effective as it could be because you got all kinds of other muscles coming into play, your form is not right and also, you’re going to probably wear the heck out of your body because again the form is not right.”
[1:13:10.4] RD: Right, exactly.
[1:13:11.6] RT: Whereas if you take a challenge to drop the weight a bit and I know that’s difficult for a lot of people. It’s like, “I’m going to shrink if I do that.” You’re not going to shrink if you do that for a week or two, it’s not going to kill you, you’ll be fine.
[1:13:21.2] RD: I used to think that way too. “Boy if I miss a workout or lighten this up I’m going to go down in size,” but that’s not the case at all.
[1:13:27.5] RT: No, try lightening the weight a bit and not to the point that you’re just going through the motion, that’s not what I’m saying here. You’re still struggling to get all the reps at the end but the muscle you’re training is actually what’s struggling, you’re not trying to heave this thing with your entire body.
This isn’t a Strong Man competition if you’re looking to shape the body, if you’re looking to body build, it’s a different animal than powerlifting, that Strong Man training. They all have a slightly different way of going about the way that they train because their objectives are slightly different.
[1:13:55.4] RD: Exactly. That’s what it’s all about.
[1:13:58.9] RT: Yeah, I think if people would do that, I think they could get a lot of and really give it an honest to goodness chance. Again, if it’s too frightening to drop the weight on everything. Just pick an exercise, I guarantee you like a lateral raise, a side raise for delts, oh man, I guarantee you, the majority of people are not doing those with proper form because it is amazing how just a few pounds can completely change your form on that because at the end of the day, the delts, I mean they’re small muscles. The side delt, it fits in the palm of your hands, a very tiny muscle.
When you got that weight all the weight out at the end of your hand, you get your arm extended, that puts a lot of leverage and it ends up stressing that muscle quite a bit. Anyway, a lot of people end up heaving, they don’t realize that they’re not — they’re twisting their arms a bit so they’re getting the front delt to kind of give a hand. Whereas if you just reduce the weight a bit, really focus on getting that muscle to do the work, you’d be surprised.
Again, I’m not saying don’t do heavy weight, I’m not saying don’t ever do that, that’s not what I’m saying here. Just do heavy weight within the realm of proper form and you’re not bouncing it, like you see guys, little bench press — you were saying, you guys that two second pause at the bottom.
[1:15:03.1] RD: Yeah.
[1:15:03.9] RT: That’s one of the beautiful things about powerlifting. It teaches you to core lifts that put a lot of quality strength and muscle on your frame.
[1:15:09.3] RD: Oh absolutely.
[1:15:10.6] RT: But it teaches you how to do them with really good form because powerlifters, people think, “Oh they’re just heaving this weight however they can.” No they’re not, you’re not going to get anywhere doing that in powerlifting. You are taught how to bench properly for example. Pause that at the bottom for a second or two and then press up not using your chest as a trampoline and that mindset of that type of training will actually take you very far even in the world of bodybuilding when you’re doing shaping type of exercise where again, quality reps. Anyway.
[1:15:40.3] RD: That’s true, I used to do laterals all the way up to 45, 50 pounds, I don’t think I could do it today because I haven’t done it in a while, work back up to it pretty easily but I use like 15 pounds seated dumbbells. I was watching some guy do it behind me, standing and he’s pulling the arm up and then turning his palms back. So he was basically coming backwards with the dumbbells as he’s coming up.
I said, “You’re not working anything. I don’t know what you’re doing but you’re not working anything. Take it slow, come up and turn your thumbs down like you’re pouring a tea kettle. If you come up, as you come up, you turn your thumbs down, you’re working the side delt and take it slower and go lighter.” And he did. He says, “Oh my god, that’s killing me.” I said,
“Well there you go, there’s the difference right there.”
[1:16:15.7] RT: Exactly. Okay Ric, in closing here, what do you think the guys right now that are getting into training or that have been training for a bit. What can we take away from the way you guys used to do things and not only that, but just all this years of experience that you’ve basically accumulated. What are a couple of tips that you could give us?
[1:16:34.7] RD: Well it gets down to — I had a friend of mine, a gymnast, I have a question — I’ve known this guy 20 years. “How do I build muscle and lose fat?” Hey says, “I know you’ve heard this.” I said, “Well that’s everybody’s goal, build muscle and lose fat.” I think that like we talked, I said, “The guys today that’s starting out. Pick yourself a routine and split your body parts up.
Opposing muscle groups work best just in back or opposing. Bicep Triceps are opposing. If you can set biceps, triceps in the gym, even better. You got a great pump. I do chest and back and heavy shoulders and arms together, I do legs by themselves. Legs take a lot out of you, it’s best to work those alone. Try to hit each body part twice a week. Now when it comes to diet, keep your protein high, eat five times a day, small amounts, have a little carbs because you got to have some carbs to burn or get fats in and don’t have any carbs. Try one or the other.
I did fish for a whole year once I got really lean. The thing Is don’t count on the steroids, I’m not against steroids, I’m not for them, it doesn’t matter either way, but don’t count them to make your against because whatever you gain, you’ll lose. They’re not going to work by themselves. This just doesn’t happen. You’ve got to eat right and you got to train hard and make every rep count all the way up, all the way down. Do resistant reps, you’re working your muscle both ways. Just don’t pull a weight up and then drop it, let it come down slow. It might do less sets and less reps but you’ll work the muscle to its extent.
I think once every two weeks, once a week, once every 10 days, if you want to go heavier just to max out a little bit, it’s okay. It gives you a goal and it ups your weight a little bit because you’ve increased your strength. Take your day’s off about every third day, take off because your body needs that day of rest. I take it off when I go to the gym and I just ride the bike casually. I don’t think that cardio alone burns body fat, I don’t think you’d be spending hours on the treadmill, you’re going to burn body fat.
I spend a half hour on the treadmill and burn 42 calories, that’s one stinking cookie, big deal. It’s good for my circulation and my heart so I do it for that. But when you start doing too much cardio, you end up eating into the muscle and your muscle goes down and you’re looking and, “Oh my god, I look fatter and I’m not very muscular.”
So you do more cardio and your muscle goes down and your fat covered it and it’s just a vicious cycle. So if you get 20 minutes of cardio three times a week, you’re getting plenty. That’s all you need. When we were back in the day, we didn’t have bicycles, we didn’t have treadmills, we didn’t have stair masters but we have a water fountain and water bottles, nobody had cellphones, nobody had anything.
We’d work out, we’d watched our diet. If we had any cardio at all, we’d go across the street to the beach and take a run under the pier for 10 minutes and come back. That was the cardio. You could also incorporate what we did then, it was a cardio weight workout. So if w’er working out with a partner, we’d go nonstop set after set after set, which basically is a cardio weight workout. Those things really work, it’s very simple to understand, you just have to apply it.
[1:19:09.8] RT: Yeah, to me it sounds like your nutrition is how you kept the fat in check on your body.
[1:19:13.6] RD: Yeah, exactly.
[1:19:14.3] RT: The cardio is more for your heart.
[1:19:17.0] RD: Right.
[1:19:17.3] RT: Is what you guys were doing. Yeah, interesting. And it makes a lot of sense too, because as you said, when you sit down and do the math, it takes a lot of cardio to burn up calories.
[1:19:26.8] RD: A lot of cardio.
[1:19:27.7] RT: Yeah. It doesn’t take very much to get those calories into you especially now with the type of foods that we have access to.
[1:19:32.9] RD: Not at all. I need the exercise for my heart because my heart has to stay healthy because I have to share it with a lot of women growing up.
[1:19:41.2] RT: But only one today right?
[1:19:43.1] RD: Only one today. She’s got the whole thing for the rest of my life.
[1:19:45.1] RT: Yeah.
[1:19:45.6] RD: I’m a very lucky man, I got a beautiful woman who has backed me up and I back her up and she’s extremely smart.
[1:19:51.6] RT: Yeah, she seems great.
[1:19:52.9] RD: She’s awesome. She’s the best. She’s already texted me five times, “I love you” on my phone while we’re talking. We have a three year anniversary coming up in the next week.
[1:20:01.0] RT: Congratulations. It’s good to have that in your life isn’t it?
[1:20:03.9] RD: Definitely, especially at my age.
[1:20:05.3] RT: Yeah.
[1:20:05.8] RD: I need someone to take care of me. No, I’m good, she’s awesome.
[1:20:09.4] RT: Yeah, no I’ve seen her on a couple of your guy’s videos and whatnot and you guys have done some shows together, right?
[1:20:14.9] RD: We’re going to start a new one, we did Tough and Tender for a year over at Empower Me TV. She owns her own company, she’s in construction and it’s a very, very successful company that she runs, had it for many years and it does very well financially. But she’s good on camera and I said, “I want to bring the show back,” so we’re going to shoot in my studio, change the backdrop back to Tough and Tender and then I’ll put it on one of my channels and we’ll take it from there.
[1:20:35.2] RT: Yeah, it’s great. I think it’s really important for women to — for just people in general to have role models obviously, positive role models.
[1:20:42.8] RD: Absolutely.
[1:20:43.7] RT: And a lot of the times women, I mean I have sisters, a lot of the times women their role models tend to be just focused on looks. It’s like, “Yeah, okay look, for guys and girls, its important to look good, you’ve got to present yourself well. But when it’s just all just sex appeal and that’s it, that’s all it stay at, that’s not good.” Having somebody like your girlfriend — her name again is?
[1:21:03.9] RD: Ina.
[1:21:04.5] RT: Ina, that’s it. Having somebody like Ina who is very successful, intelligent, very smart, I mean that’s the type of example that everybody kind of should have in their life. I mean it’s really good to have something like that, especially for younger women, younger girls because man, if anything’s hyper sexualized, it’s the media that’s targeted towards women especially younger girls and not always the greatest thing to be following.
[1:21:27.7] RD: Yeah, the thing is that I’ve had women over the years, I don’t know why they picked me, but they always ask me advice on dates and guys. “What do guys really think and what about this?” So we started a show, I had it on my website and we talk about relationships and how relationships should be and get a lot of feedback on it. She’s great at it.
So I figured we’ll bring it back, it seems to be a big thing. I was listening to a big boy who has a radio station, he’s lost 102 pounds and he says, “Anytime he gets into relationship thing on show, the calls just start flooding in.” So there’s a lot of bad relationships, people don’t know how to pick them and I’ve been very lucky and I have a lot to say about it. So I think the show will do well.
[1:22:01.6] RT: Excellent. All right. Ric, thank you so much.
[1:22:05.0] RD: If you hear my dog whining in the background, he spotted another dog outside and both — I have two dogs that are going nuts.
[1:22:09.7] RT: Okay well, we’ll let you get them outside here. Tell us, where can we get more info about you Ric?
[1:22:15.4] RD: ricdrasin.com is my website and then ricscorner.com is my other website. My offer things on there for example, Gold’s gym logo, I own the rights too. So my girlfriend came up with the idea, “Why don’t you draw it and sell it on your website as a framed piece of art work of history and let people buy it and hang it in their wall.” So I did. It’s been doing very well, it’s been doing very, very well.
I draw each one individually for the person who orders and I sign it and I autograph it to them. They frame it, put it on their wall and I put it on Facebook and on my show. Once they get it, they send me a picture. It is history. Each one’s a little bit different because I have to draw each one separately. So the lines aren’t always the same, which makes it kind of unique. So I have that for sale on my website, I have Ric Drasin original T-shirts which has the Gold’s Gym logo as well and some other designs.
bodybuilding.com has my Ric Drasin original — I’m sorry, my Gold’s Gym original. It has the golden era of bodybuilding design that I did. It has, “Don’t bug me when I’m training” and “Body by torture”. All new designs on bodybuilding.com that are under my name. So I have a lot of stuff. I have — my books out, the Bodybuilding for Dumbbells, the Ricipedia of Steroids and those are on my website and at the end of all my show you shall see the banners go through on there as well. I have a lot of stuff.
Oh the new “Don’t bug me when I’m training” shirt is doing great. I did that as a joke years ago when people were talking to me as I did my own printing. It says, “Don’t bug me when I’m training”, they bug me more because they want to buy the shirt. So I brought it out and I had launch the other day on my video and someone says, “Don’t bug me while I’m eating.” I said, “I think I’ll make mine just don’t bug me when I’m digesting.” So I have a lot of stuff out there but it’s all doing well and I have fun doing it and I try to get people what they like and that’s what it’s all about.
[1:23:50.8] RT: I didn’t realize you had the rights to the logo, that’s great.
[1:23:53.1] RD: I do. And so I have it in China, I have it in domestically on the shirts but doing it in the logo by itself as a framed piece of artwork, 8×10 on the wall, is a natural. It’s just a perfect thing to put out there.
[1:24:06.0] RT: I’ll have to get myself one of those, it sounds great. Ric, you’re an inspiration man, the energy, the vitality, it’s incredible because you add on top of that the longevity. Just the fact that you’ve been playing at this level for as long as you have and doing all the things which is probably a reason why you’re still going the way that you are at the rate that you’re going because you get that momentum going and it kind of keeps you going.
[1:24:28.1] RD: I get tired this time in the day and dogs want to walk, and I come back from work and this is — my daughter in new York and my girlfriend’s at work so I have both dogs here and they want me to be with them and I have to work and I have to tell them, “You got to wait until I have a moment to play with you.” But I’m okay, we go out at night, I go to her house, I’m home by 10 -10:30 and then I put the TV on and fall asleep.
So I got to have my rest by my mind works 24/7. While I’m in bed, I’m thinking about new project, new things to come out with the show and people to call, way of putting a different type of twist on the subject matter and it’s inspiring to me because I like being inspired.
I look at people around me, they’re half my age who don’t do anything all day long, I think I feel bad for them because you have to have, you only have one life, you get one day at a time, enjoy your day. In closing like this, I had someone say to me, “Oh you have too much time on your hands to fool around on Photoshop. You have too much time on your hands to make your videos.”
I said, “No, I don’t have too much time in my hand, you’re having too much fun in life.” So I wrote a thing and I put it on Facebook about having fun and I said, “I’m here for one life, I’m not going to have act two, this is act one and I want to make the most out of it and I want to enjoy everything I do all day and if I turn it into money, fine. If I don’t, I’m still enjoying myself.” However, money comes with passion. When you put out a good product and each day counts and I took the right path in life. I took the path that worked for me.
[1:25:42.1] RT: Yeah you did, you did. And just thinking about how you made that move, you said at 16 from Baskerville down to Los Angeles. Kind of following your desire. There’s something to be said about doing that, just having the cajones to just say, “You know what? This is what I’m doing, it’s going to be a big change but I got to answer that call. I got that call, I can hear it and my heart strings are kind of in tugged in that direction, I got to go. I gotta go. Otherwise…”
[1:26:08.3] RD: My mom moved in with my grandma and my father had passed away and she says, “Go do what you have to do.” I said, “Okay mom, I’ll send you some cards, I’ll see you in 20 years,” and I drove away. I packed my car but I left, I called her every night to let her know what I was doing. I came home in the first four, five weekends to check on her because she was alone and then I started to dwindled.
Finally after about two years, I got to move here and she moved to the valley and I was at the beach and I was able to make sure she was okay until the day she died at 97 five years ago, I saw her, I’d call her every morning and every night to make sure she was good I moved her into retirement not far from me. After the gym I’d go over there and take her to Starbucks for coffee, make sure she was settled, I got to know everything I needed to know about my life and myself from her before she died and I felt that I gave her a good life and she gave me a good life.
[1:26:50.3] RT: Yeah, it’s a beautiful thing. Good on your Ric. Good on you man. Again, thank you so much for being an example for the rest of. Follow your passions guys, something to be said about following your passions. I don’t think any of us want to get to the end of the road and have more regrets than what’s necessary if any and the only way that you can avoid those is by going after what you want.
There’s no reason why you can’t. As you said, I mean look, Arnold, his first what do you call it? Reading he went to audition. Your answer was, “I don’t think so big guy,” but he went after it anyway and the same could be said about you. You left where you were and by the sounds of it, things were going pretty good for you. I mean you were in a band and popular and you were this that and the other. And you were like, “You know what? I’m going to try something different here because I could just tell I got to go do something different.”
[1:27:35.3] RD: Well the thing is that I’ve always put money away, I remember I was down to $400 and I bought a Volkswagen on a visa card because I needed transportation. I always made money and even to this day, my girlfriend makes a lot of money, and she says, “Spend your money, what are you going to do with it? You’re 71. You’re not going to bury it with you when you go.”
I said, “Yeah but what if nothing comes in?” She says, “You’ve always had money coming in, you’ve got more now than you’ve ever had.” And so I started to learn that I could enjoy myself and spend it and go out and do things. And sure enough, the next day I get a new sponsor, I get another check. It would just come just because I’m working at it. So I don’t have that fear anymore of not having any.
My mom died and didn’t have anything you know? She never planned ahead but I have planned ahead and so it is working and the show is working and people like yourself who call and want to do interviews and get sponsors and you just live a good life, be honest ,and do the best you can, chase your passion and the money will come. If you chase the dollar, you’ll never have it. You chase your passions, you’ve got a good chance of making money.
[1:28:27.3] RT: It’s real simple, the passion is what gets you through the rough patches and the passion gets infused into your work and that’s what people ultimately pay for because the quality is there, it’s not this weird woo-woo “all the good vibes are there”, but there is an aspect of that as well.
But when you’re really passionate about something, that’s when you really put your heart into it and that’s when it becomes a really good quality product and if there is a customer base out there, if there is an audience for it out there for it out there, they will find it and they will in all likelihood recognize and identify the value that you’ve created there, which again comes right back to…
[1:29:01.0] RD: I tell that to all the comments I get. I see the comments are overwhelming, things people write to me. So I know I’m on the right path.
[1:29:07.5] RT: You are definitely. Ric, thanks again, love to have you come back on again. The stories, we didn’t get into too many crazy stories but you got so many of them man and it’s so much knowledge and experience and wisdom, I just love having you on.
[1:29:19.6] RD: Thank you so much. Thanks you so much. I’m honored that you asked me.
[1:29:22.5] RT: I’m honored that you accepted to come back on, it really means a lot. Guys, you got to check it out, as he said, he has hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of videos, so much content that he’s created over the years. Ric’s Corner is on YouTube, you got ricdrasin.com, you got ricscorner.com and that’s how you can find them.
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Because they feel like this platform’s worth your time. We really appreciate those. We’re going to have, again goodies on the show note page for you, we’re going to have links on all the variety, all the various items that Ric has mentioned and he has a lot of stuff, he’s not joking. He has a lot of stuff that’s available out there for you to take a look at. Free stuff, paid stuff, a lot of good stuff.
Also, when you’re on the website, you can sign up for the newsletter, you get all kinds of great tips, updates and news, there’s a great free report that you get. Also, don’t forget, firstname.lastname@example.org, good bad or fugly, let us know guys, what do you like, what do you want to see more of, who do you want to have on the show? Any questions you’d like us to put on, change, whatever it may be, send it over. Good, bad, or fugly, we love taking it all in and we read them all.
Also, training, you could have videos of yourself training, you got links on let’s say YouTube, if you have a before and after shots, maybe photos of your home gym setup. Send them over to email@example.com and we’ll share them with everybody. With that being said, Ric, one last time, thanks again, can’t wait to do it again and guys as I always say, put this stuff to use and until next time, train smart, train hard, talk to you then.
More Specifically in this Episode You’ll Learn About
- You have to be so passionate enough that nothing can stand in your way
- Ric’s explains how he lost his finger
- The importance of finding humor in things
- Putting a smile on someone’s face
- How Ric’s Corner got started
- The importance of reinventing yourself from time to time
- Look strong, be strong
- Ric shares his thoughts on steroids
- What is the Silver Era of bodybuilding?
- Thoughts on Arnold’s charisma and success
- The Golden Era Vs. Today
- Good form goes a long way
- Old school training methods and principles
- Nothing’s wrong if it works for you
- Drop the weight and focus on your form
- Chase your passion.
About Ric Drasin
If you haven’t had the opportunity to listen to our first interview with Ric, definitely check out episode #18, which is still as powerful today as it was when we first recorded it in late 2014. Ric’s been in this industry for many years, and his principles, whether it be in training OR life, have stood the test of time!
For those that need to be brought up to speed, Ric Drasin is a former champion Bodybuilder from the Golden Era and Professional Wrestler (A.K.A The Equalizer). Ric was Arnold Schwarzenegger’s training partner for 4 years and also designed the Iconic Gold’s Gym and World Gym logos, one of the largest selling logos in the world. In 2012 Ric was awarded the Joe Gold Lifetime Achievement Award in Las Vegas and was the first recipient of the award.
Ric still teaches wrestling in his backyard ring in Sherman Oaks, and has trained many champions including WWE Champ Rusev.
At 71 Ric still stays in excellent shape and trains 7 days a week. He also has his own show Ric’s Corner with over 19 million viewers to date and growing very quick. The show is based on his own experiences in fitness, nutrition, wrestling, bodybuilding and more with many legends as guests.
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I came across this podcast through another great podcast (the RDella Podcast) and I must say I'm hooked. I like the action items that are revealed for us to do rather than just taking in more info. I especially like that is simple but not simplistic. I'm 58 years young and shows like this reafirm that I'm doing the right thing. I use Kettlebells, Sandbags, Barbells, Indian Clubs and body weight in my training. I don't look like a fitness model but I feel pretty good. Knowing more and refining techinque has been very important for me. The idea is not to just listen but to do something with the information. The format allows that. Thanks for your hard work.
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I listened to the entire interview with Danny Kavadlo while I was cooking dinner. VERY good podcast! I give it a ?!!
- Highly recommend this showNovember 30, 2015 by Altruistic? from United States
I love this show. Thoughtful host. Interesting guests. Since listening it, I have been giving more consideration to the mental side of training. It's a very encouraging show.
- Great show!November 14, 2015 by Rmolson from United States
I started training at the age of 41 obese and intimidated. The guests are an inspiration and encouragement toto keep moving forward on this journey.
- Amazing ContentNovember 13, 2015 by MattTucker93 from Canada
Love listening to this podcast. Amazing information and I always learn something from all the great guests. Thank you!
- Great showSeptember 15, 2015 by unadjective from United States
Some really cool guests that I wouldn't otherwise come across and Ray does a great job getting into their expertise. Almost always wish the show was longer.
- I love thisSeptember 12, 2015 by Mvecdi from Canada
Please don’t ever stop,i really enjoy it. Wish i found it before. I listen to it while working out or driving etc. Just wanted to tell you to keep doing what you are doing. And would love to see more of people like Mike Israetel etc. Such as Brad Schoenfeld. Anyways love the show, thanks for making it.
- Very professionalSeptember 7, 2015 by Ayrshire Lad from United Kingdom
Always learning something new from Ray and his well selected line up of guests. Sometimes feels a little repetitive as Ray asks all the tried and tested questions to ensure the listener always has a takeaway..its laid back but focused and very professional !!
- I love thisSeptember 3, 2015 by Mvecdi from Canada
Please don’t ever stop,i really enjoy it. Wish i found it before
- The best podcast in the strength/ fitness industry!August 28, 2015 by Powerlifting101 from Canada
I recommend this podcast to anyone that trying to physically and mental better them self in every aspect.
- Excellent ResourceJuly 25, 2015 by J. Steinmann from United States
Some great interviews with a wide variety of people. I've listened to a number of episodes, and there's always some great information in every interview. If you're serious about strength training, health and fitness, or just want some good life philosophy, this podcast is worth a listen.
- Must subscribe!July 9, 2015 by Roddygo from United States
This is one of the best fitness podcasts. A lot of big names from various backgrounds and Ray asks good questions. He also knows when to ask follow up questions without getting too out of subject and having the guests share some more secrets
- Great Show!July 8, 2015 by Wes Kennedy from Canada
Ray is a great host and has a wide range of quality and professional coaches that have a TON of experience to share with you. Check it out!
- Excellent interviews!July 8, 2015 by another anatomy geek from United States
Ray does a fantastic job of asking articulate and interesting questions. I always really enjoy his podcasts and learn useful info! Keep up the good work!
- has become the best Strength podcastJune 21, 2015 by SuperHuman YYZ from Canada
I think its overtaken superhuman radio and motivation + muscle as the top podcast for those who love physical culture and the iron game. Ray does a great job interviewing, just the right amount of interjecting his ideas and opinions. The guest list is incredible, the who's who, past and present.
- The fountain of youth.June 10, 2015 by rroxanne from Canada
Very good . I love the article. I listened to it 3 times to write everything down. Lol. Bad memory. Oh and love Rays voice.
- just pure MEGA, Pig Iron all the wayMay 25, 2015 by Strongman1981 from United Kingdom
The Super Strength Show is an amazing and extremely informative resource for anyone involved in physical culture. With an enthusiastic and highly intelligent host and a who’s who’s line up of guests, a must for anyone to sit down, eat grapefruits and enjoy. great work chaps
- On another level! Once you hear one episode you will have to hear them all!May 22, 2015 by Chuck Osswald from United States
Super Strength Show starts with top performers/coaches/trainers from around the world and chunks down all the important pieces, directed towards any audience. Ray Toulany is unparalled in his ability to make information easy to understand as well as tease out the unspoken gems. You will be glued to your speakers for the entire episode and find yourself eagerly waiting for more. The care put into each episode is clear with a show notes page that helps the curious learn in any medium. Keep up the great work and thanks Ray!
- A fountain of Strength and training knowledgeMay 14, 2015 by HCF82 from United Kingdom
After searching for an age to find a good strength podcast I discovered the super strength show through Chris Duffins interview and have been hooked since. The format is excellent with some of the best voices in the world of strength and conditioning appearing. No nonsense straight talking, this really should be one of your first resources to go to if you are a coach or an average joe looking to improve in the weight room.
- fantasticMay 10, 2015 by gena_wallis from Australia
i enjoyed your session.looking forward to more staff.Victor from the Youngpreneurs Podcast!
- Well structured, interesting, and informative.May 2, 2015 by TEEJ888888 from Canada
I just listened to the first two episodes of the podcast. It's really good. The questions are solid, there is lots of good advice for lifting and for life, and Ray does a good job at interacting with the guest but keeping things on track and flowing. Ray is articulate and the guests seem professional and smart. Overall, I'm very impressed.
- My top 5 favorite show!April 16, 2015 by mrcdmag from United States
Great show with lots of valuable information! I always have my notebook open and writing.
- Top strength showApril 16, 2015 by Alastair7890 from United Kingdom
Very informative. Top guests
- Great Show!April 10, 2015 by SloneStrength from United States
Well prepared show. Amazing professionalism! Keep up the great work.
- AWESOMENESS CONTAINTEDMarch 4, 2015 by jamie729 from United Kingdom
This is an awesome podcast the format, the guests & the topics disscussed are all truely infomative. No BS contained the show always opens up new schools of thoughts and ideas to the listeners. keep up the good work.
- Subscribe, instantly addictiveMarch 2, 2015 by thebroadkaz from Canada
This show is amazing to listen to it motivates you not only for the gym but for setting and achieving goals in your every day life. Very motivating and positive. Truly helps to get you in the right frame of mind for life and for the gym.
- An absolutely ace show everytimeFebruary 24, 2015 by Tommy Eggleton from United Kingdom
This show is phenomenal! The format and repeated questions for each episode keep the show driving forward, the guests have had ample time to prepare excellent and considered opinions and yet the show never feels like anything but no-BS conversations on building seuperhuman strength and mighty bodies. The host, Ray Toulany, consistently does a marvellous job of drawing out even more from his guests than the material they've prepared and some of the stories that are teased out are superb. I wholeheartedly recommend this to anybody that trains, thinks about training, or simply admires strength sports and bodybuilding in general.
- Great ResourceFebruary 4, 2015 by Velvet Jones81 from United States
For someone new to the strength sports like myself this show has been a great resource. Thanks for doing this show. It has helped a lot.
- Paul McIlroyFebruary 2, 2015 by Paul McIlroy from United Kingdom
I've been an avid aficionado of all things strength and physical culture related for the vast majority of my entire life. As a former world champion powerlifter and trainer of world champions in different strength sports I can honestly say that Ray Toulany's Super Strength Show is an absolutely INVALUABLE resource for those wishing/needing to maximise their holistic understanding of strength, what it is to be strong, why that is important and how to best achieve it! The list of guests reads like a star studded "who's who" of strength and conditioning ROYALTY! Plus, more than anything the interviews are a ton of fun and provide a fascinating insight into the very best in the business and what makes them tick. It was my complete pleasure and privilege to be a guest on this amazing show (episode 37). If YOU claim to be serious about strength training and are not currently subscribed to THIS show, my honest advice is do so immediately...if not sooner!
- Super Strength ShowJanuary 26, 2015 by Joeino from United States
I love this podcast as I seem to pick up valuable information from each guest. Listing to this is a fun and productive use of my time
- Excellent InformationJanuary 26, 2015 by TaylorrrrNB from United States
These guys obviously do their homework, work hard to create an excellent show and know who to interview in the world of strength and fitness! I’m very impressed by what they have created and the quality of what they do. You need to subscribe! TODAY!!
- by Brandon RicheyJanuary 22, 2015 by Great Work SSS from United States
The Super Strength Show is a fantastic resource for all things concerning strength, fitness, and life. The multitude of guests provides tons of information and perspectives that every listener will appreciate. If you’re serious about strength and the physical culture this is a resource that you just can’t pass up!
- Very glad I stumbled across this podcast!January 22, 2015 by rk102 from United States
Great info from big-time guests in the strength and conditioning world. Keep up the great work, Ray!
- Awesome showJanuary 13, 2015 by Bonjower from Canada
The Podcast is the best I’ve encountered in the fitness/bodybuilding sector. The host has a great ability to pull the pertinent information out of his guests. The topics are great and you seem to be able to get useful information out of every interview! Awesome podcast!!
- Do yourself a favour and subscribeJanuary 1, 2015 by GameOverBoss from Canada
The amount of info and resources in the SuperStrengthShow is just incredible. All of this coming from guests that are the best of the best in their fields. Great questions are asked to these guys and some really insightful answers given (along with a few laughs). I hate wasting time and i'm always looking to evolve and refine my training. This podcast has saved me hours of digging through the crazy crap on the internet to find valid info. It has also introduced me to things i would have never thought to look up. Really can’t recommend enough.
- Master SFGDecember 24, 2014 by X-Fab69 from Italy
Awesome Podcast! A whole lot of great and useful information provided by very accomplished athletes and coaches with an extended experience on the ground!
- Charles CDecember 22, 2014 by CharlieConnely from Canada
Very impressed with the quality guests that the Super Strength Show is interviewing. Loaded with with actionable and inspiring information. Great production quality and daily episodes!
- Well done RayDecember 19, 2014 by Matt McWilliams from United States
Wow…Super Strenght Show Podcast is flat out awesome. Good production quality. Easy to listen. Very impressed Ray. Keep bringing it.
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