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177 Dr. Quinn Henoch: Building a Better Foundation For Strength & Performance

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In this episode of the Super Strength Show, Dr. Quinn Henoch takes us on his journey to becoming an Olympic weightlifter, Doctorate of Physical Therapy, Head of Rehabilitation for Juggernaut HQ and Darkside Strength, Founder of Clinical Athlete and Paradigm Performance Therapy. During this interview, Quinn teaches you the principles for building a better foundation for strength and performance.

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[INTRODUCTION]

 

[0:00:19.4] RT: What’s up Strength Maniacs? And thanks for tuning in. I’m pleased to welcome today’s guest Dr. Quinn Henoch. Dr. Henoch has a doctorate of physical therapy from the University of Indianapolis and is head of rehabilitation for Juggernaut HQ and Dark Side Strength. His clinic, paradigm performance therapy is adjacent to the new Juggernaut gym located in Laguna Miguel, California.

 

Quinn played football at the division one AA level at Valparaiso — I wonder if I said that right? But anyway, University as a defensive back. He has also competed in track and field, cross fit and power lifting. Currently he trains full time as an Olympic weight lifter and competed in the 2014 American open and has qualified for the 2015 national championships as a 77 kilo lifter. You can connect with him by visiting clinicalathlete.com.

 

[INTERVIEW]

 

Dr. Quinn, welcome to the show. It’s good to have you here.

 

[0:01:17.1] QH: Thanks Ray, I really appreciate it.

 

[0:01:19.2] RT: No problem at all. Now look, let’s go back, I can handle it, tell me the truth man, I think I butchered the name of the University.

 

[0:01:25.2] QH: It was pretty close, Valparaiso.

 

[0:01:26.6] RT: Valparaiso okay.

 

[0:01:28.2] QH: Yeah, Valpo is, if you remember back in 1996, Bryce Drew in the NCAA Tournament, “The Shot”, I think they call it, he hit a game winner in the second round, tookValpo to the sweet 16, that’s where they’re known for but they also have a football team believe it or not and that’s what I was a part of. You were on the money.

 

[0:01:47.6] RT: Okay, there we go. Go Val Po right?

 

[0:01:49.3] QH: Yeah, there you go.

 

[0:01:50.1] RT: There we go. I got to admit man, when I just said Dr. Quinn, it reminded me of that old school movie, what was that? Medicine Man?

 

[0:01:56.0] QH: Something like that, we’ll keep it at Medicine Man.

 

[0:01:58.7] RT: I think it had Tom Selleck or something like that, I can’t remember, I got to look this up man, anyway. I don’t know where I went off on that tangent. My friend, tell me a little bit more about yourself man, that’s not even the tip of the tip of the iceberg. Tell us a little bit more about yourself.

 

[0:02:13.1] QH: Yeah. I’ve been in the strength and conditioning kind of rehab, performance field for a while. I started as a coach, my undergraduate degree at Valpo was in exercise science and I was a strength coach at performance gyms during — before, during and after. And so graduated from college and was working at a few places doing the kind of strength coach life, working at two gyms, lots of hours, it was great but the return, not so great. You kind of got in that industry, it was the private sector, I got to be in it for a while and make connections.

 

But the biggest things for me was I felt like there was a gap in my knowledge, I could write a program and I could coach the lifts but if something was off, I couldn’t quite pinpoint the problem or especially if somebody was injured, it wasn’t really my job or scope to deal with that but I wanted that. That’s why I went back to PT school so I could just kind of mold the two. I know I still wanted to coach and be in that environment but I wanted that other side of the education.

 

I was an athlete my whole life, football in college, Football was the big part of my life. I played for 12, 13 years after college, after undergrad, I was kind of in the transition phase, I was actually tired of lifting, just going heavy all the time or college program, it was not necessarily about technique obviously, it was, “Let’s performance, let’s put more weight on the bar, move faster.” And so I needed a break and you mentioned CrossFit, and that was a short stint. I was in there for maybe eight, 10 months, I competed in CrossFit just as a little change of pace and just realize that anything past, two minutes scarred my soul.

 

It was powerlifting and ultimately it was weightlifting, the snatch and clean jerk was always something that I enjoyed in my training in high school and college, I was always pretty good at it. That’s when I’ve fallen on the past six years I think now as I’ve been competing in the sport. Yeah, my general philosophy is now just kind of molding the coaching and the clinical side of things and into kind of a hybrid model.

 

[0:04:33.1] RT: Do you think nowadays, that’s starting to occur more and more as it seems physical therapy is becoming I think a busier profession, a more in demand profession as more and more people has become athletes to one degree or another, whether it’s a weekend warrior or whatnot. In addition to that, as the population ages and realizes, you know what? Working out isn’t just to have abs for the beach when you’re in your teens, 20’s and maybe 30’s but it’s also to keep you up and running right until the very end.

 

[0:05:03.4] QH: Yeah, totally, I wouldn’t even limit that to physical therapy, all the healthcare professionals, chiropractors, massage therapist, trainers, it’s all — there’s this shift. And I honestly think that the popularity of CrossFit has helped because that has grown the popularity of powerlifting and weightlifting and Strong Man and ultimately the team sports that they perform those modalities as training.

 

We’re getting PT’s who now work within gyms because with the insurance model the way it is now, you’re getting more and more patience in an hour that you have to manage and you’re getting reimbursed less and less. These healthcare professionals is just like, “Forget this, I’m going to run my own ship, I’m going to charge cash rates and I’m going to setup a practice within the gym so I can just see the athletes and integrate what they need.”

 

When you have a professional like that, you know that they’re something special because we don’t get that training in school, I went to PT school hoping that, “Oh it’s going to be awesome, I’m going to be in the Nike rehab performance center for three years of my doctorate,” and that’s not the case. We got half a day on the functional movement screen and that was pretty much the extent of our performance training in PT school. Thank goodness I was a coach. Have that experience already but that’s not what we get in PT school.

 

When you’ve got a professional who does that, you know that they’ve kind of gone above and beyond their normal training to integrate that thing. And so I think it is just the popularity is growing for these sports and for this type of training and at the same time, the old school model is becoming less and less advantageous, so you just get this shift.

 

[0:06:52.9] RT: Yeah, definitely, I think it’s a good thing too. I found that there was this time way back when where physical culture is, they just essentially did everything. There wasn’t somebody who was just a powerlifter, just an Olympic weightlifter or just whatever it may be. People just kind of — the guys that are very well known, that have written books from back in that era, they really just partook in everything.

 

Then we had a period of time where until today, it’s still like this where everything kind of got segregated and compartmentalized and specifically training wise. Obviously, when you want to become an elite Olympic weightlifter or powerlifter, you kind of have to put other things to the side to a certain degree although, I think there is some benefit in cross training to a degree and I found that with therapy, it’s something similar is kind of happening now with therapy where there was a time when you had physical therapist that maybe did not have the background that they needed maybe, in athletics, you and I were kind of talking about this program we got going.

 

Nowadays, it seems that things are becoming more integrated I think is the way to say it. I think people are starting to realize, you know what? It’s great to be an expert in a certain field, a specific niche of some sort but there’s definitely benefits to knowing other things as well and kind of integrating all this stuff, whether it’s through having a variety of practitioners in one office or having a varied multi-discipline kind of background.

 

[0:08:12.8] QH: Yeah, I absolutely agree but again, it’s what I eluded to earlier. It’s not because they’re getting it more in school, the shift is not because of a curriculum change. That’s staying the same. And I think that these practitioners, because of the popularity of these other training methodologies and they’re just becoming more mainstream and with social media, it’s hard not to see somebody squatting, deadlifting, snatch and clean and jerking or training hard. What is this? Much more than the traditional model. They’re doing it themselves. The PT and the chiro, they’ve got their — they’re working on the athlete and then they’re going and training the same way.

 

[0:08:52.4] RT: Exactly.

 

[0:08:54.7] QH: It’s just this really cool shift and what’s funny about this is it’s happening so quickly, I don’t even think the power’s going to be the state boards, the practice acts, they don’t know how to deal with it because they’re still kind of stuck in the old insurance based model, cookie cutter approach, “Come on in, I’ll give you the pink theraband and ultra sound and see you on your way. See you three times a week for the next six weeks or for the rest of your life,”

or whatever and there’s just, it’s just such — it’s very refreshing.

 

But it’s kind of the wild, wild west right now as far as how the best practice is. You still want to be a clinician and you still want to help people with pain and do all the feel good stuff but then there’s got to be some type of middle ground and if you have no idea how to squat or deadlift yourself, how on earth can you teach, or how can you integrate your page to back and develop?

 

[0:09:48.3] RT: Yeah, it’s like a coach who has never actually competed or has never competed at a very high level. Trying to relate with an athlete, It’s just, how can you comprehend the nerves and the issue, the psychological aspect of what they’re going through when you yourself haven’t really gone through that?

 

Something we said about a mentor versus a coach, a mentor, somebody who has been there, done that and I find more and more people are kind of starting to fall into that role where, as you said, the therapist is working on the individual but they themselves are going and doing the same type of training more or less that the athlete’s doing. They have a better grasp of what needs to be done.

 

[0:10:22.2] QH: Totally. That was one reason I picked physical therapy school over something like med school or being a physician’s assistant. Those professions are fantastic but the time that you spend it with a patient is just far different. I can spend a full hour with somebody during a session and we can just go over so much.

 

You build a relationship and you build trust and it’s kind of like you said, it becomes almost a mentorship. The injury is kind of secondary to just the trust that you have in each other and it’s kind of like I’m a second coach. It’s really good, I enjoy it.

 

[0:11:00.5] RT: I definitely agree and with this kind of somewhat sets up the main interview here and that is let’s kind of jump into the main questions and see how your background, your experience, the lessons that you learned, how they could benefit the listeners and how they’ve ultimately helped you arrive to where you’re at right now?

 

[0:11:19.6] QH: Perfect.

 

[0:11:20.8] RT: Let’s kick it off with the first main question and that is, sharing one of your favorite success quotes, sayings, axioms, whatever you want to call it, motto’s and how you apply it to your training in life?

 

[0:11:31.5] QH: Cool. So okay, we’re going cliché right off the bat.

 

[0:11:33.3] RT: Let’s do this.

 

[0:11:34.1] QH: I like it, okay. I think the saying of being a lifelong student is what I adhere to. It started, from the very beginning, I think the sport of is football is a prime example. In high school, it was this way but especially in college, we were going to classes obviously and being actual students but then we were — my free time was spent watching film, studying a play book, learning skills, honing the craft I guess. And then it never stopped, I graduated, I was a strength coach but then I wanted to learn more.

 

And so I went to PT school and even now, working in private practice where I’m kind of running the ship and people come for my word, it’s actually uncomfortable for me because I want a mentor, I’m always reaching out to people more experienced, I’m going to these courses and I just — I don’t know if that’s something inherent in certain people but for me, it’s just, never stop learning. Another saying is, “When you stop learning, you’re dead.” And I just truly believe that now.

 

Having said that, I am improving upon my ability to be a student. Just because I wanted to learn doesn’t mean I was very good at it. I can remember even PT school just kind of coasting, skating through certain classes, looking back now and I’m like, “Oh man, I wish I could take that one over.” Not even appreciating what I was learning or being taught and I was always the kind of student that needed to kind of go back and go over the information again by myself, actually read it, it was very difficult for me to soak things in, just listening and then I was tuned out.

 

I wish — I’m much better about that now, I’m in the moment I think when I go to courses or I’m listening to people who are much smarter than me talk, I make sure that I soak it in and in and there so that when I go back and think about it again, it’s kind of already been brewing but I think that’s what something I live by, just always learning and try to be a lifelong student.

 

[0:13:45.8] RT: Ancora Imparo man as Michael Angelo used to say. Always learning, always be learning. All right, let’s hop into one of your biggest challenges. Sharing a story of a time in your training when you encountered a major challenge and paint the picture for us, set the stage, get us in that moment with you and if you don’t mind sharing with us the lessons that you learned from it.

 

[0:14:07.0] QH: Sure, well I can give you — I’m kind of in it right now. So we can — it’s super fresh. I’m dealing with a wrist injury, I’ve had bumps and bruises and just playing football and the sport of weightlifting. Just picking the two most brutal sports on your body, a lot of wear and tear. But I’ve been lucky in my career in both sports to not have catastrophic things take me out for long periods of time other than just ankle sprains or stuff like that. No tears, nothing that required a surgery or season ending injury.

 

This happened in November, it was about six weeks I think out or maybe a month from the American open, which is the second biggest national meet of the year in the sport of weightlifting which is the snatch and cling and jerk. It was a big — we go heavy on Fridays, I had a seminar and I went heavy on a Saturday, just flown in, flown back to California from the east coast and I went right to the gym, it was like 6 PM and I thought I was just going to feel like death, traveling and then I have to go heavy, we tried to hit a pretty heavy single in both the snatch and the cling and jerk but I was feeling great.

 

I was snatching and I think worked up to 110 kilos, which is somewhere around 242 pounds as for me as 170 pound lifter at the time, have recently gone up a weight class. I hit that snatch and I felt something in my wrist, I felt a shift, like the bones literally just slid on each other. There is several bones, if you’ve got a Google a picture of the wrist bones, the carpals, there’s a lot of them.

 

I just literally felt that shift and it actually didn’t make me miss the weight, I stood up at the weight and I dropped it. I looked down on my wrist and there’s this very large bump right in the joint. It wasn’t there two seconds before, right? And so it was clearly something that I did structurally and the bump was hard, it felt like a bone. And I said, “Okay,” obviously the athlete in me, “let’s put a wrap on it and let’s clean and jerk.” I did, I was able to go through my clean jerks and the day was great.

 

I was just kind of — the bump was obviously there and that night, the information kind of set in and the next day, that was all she wrote. So I think that I just kind of weathered that initial storm and I was able to lift because the whole inflammatory process and injury process hadn’t quite set in yet. I haven’t been able to go overhead with anything over 60 kilos since, that was over three months ago.

 

The prognosis was a torn extensor retnaculum in my wrist and all that is, it’s almost like an IT band of the wrist. It’s a very thick connective sheath in the wrist that kind of holds things down and the thought is that that tore and that’s the bump, something underneath that kind of came up, it wasn’t being held down. The surgeon was, you know, he looked me in the eyes and said, that’s not going to get better obviously, surgeons sometimes everything, you’ve got to hammer everything that looks like a nail.

 

So he said, “That’s not going to get better but we won’t know until we get in there, it’s one of those things where it’s exploratory and the surgery is a release, they’re going to just cut it completely and then reposition some things and then ideally it’s easy, easy recovery, should feel fine and you’re back.” But except the word release and the exploratory nature, that’ snot… sometimes it doesn’t go like that. I just know that from my physical therapy background.

 

And so I’ve been my own coach in therapist, which is probably a bad idea but in the last three months now, I was going to wait and see if this thing gets better, you know, let’s wait on the surgery. It has and then the athlete in me takes over and I push it way too hard on either front squat with a front rack or I go over head too much frequency, too much volume and then it flares back up and I can’t even hold the empty bar, I’ve been up and down with that maybe two or three times.

 

That’s been the challenge, it’s like, “What would I tell myself if I were a patient?” What’s the progression, the logical progression of things, I had to be able to press the kettle bell before I can press the barbell, strict press before I can push press, before I can jerk, before I can snatch. Muscle snatches before full snatches. Overhead squat before snatch, all these logical progressions that I wasn’t doing because I would let that other side of me take over and that’s been the biggest challenge but I think I’ve kind of rigged a plan and I have an idea.

 

And it’s — surgeon was wrong the fact that he said that it’s not going to get better. It has gotten better, I just don’t think that I’ve been smart enough to let it get all the way better. That’s been the challenge I think. I would say, of all the body parts and injuries that I thought I would have or have sustained, I never thought it would be my wrist that would be the issue. That’s been the biggest challenge but I think we’re on the up and up. I’m looking, there’s light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[0:19:17.0] RT: Well I’m happy to hear that and happy to hear you’re on the mend.

 

[0:19:19.6] QH: Oh yeah.

 

[0:19:20.3] RT: Just before we jump into the next question, what would you say to somebody who got injured, what would you say the next steps for them, what would they be? Who should they go see, should they get a second opinion, who should they seek out, what would you recommend?

 

[0:19:35.3] QH: Yeah, so it’s really easy to kind of say you get injured, it’s not better in a week or two and you’re like, “Oh I need surgery and I’m going to have to go to orthopaedic specialist now.” You got to understand that is the true injury, let’s say you truly sprained a muscle or a strain or a sprain of a joint is a tear. It just depends on the extent but if you sprain an ankle, that’s a tear. Sprain a wrist it’s a tear.

 

You have to respect the natural healing process and understand that anywhere from four to eight weeks, you may not be 100%. That’s maybe on the low end, it just kind of depends and you have to — going to a practitioner in many states, physical therapy, you can go straight to a PT without going to a medical doctor and obviously I’m a little bias but I would recommend that because it’s a conservative nature and the physical therapist is going to be able to spend a complete full hour with you.

 

To evaluate to see if you need to go to an orthopaedic specialist or surgeon or somebody else. That’s what my recommendation of a healthcare professional right off the bat is go see a PT first. Then, from a coaching perspective, figure out what you can do to train with around the symptoms. Find a variation. If it’s a back or a hip and back squat, barbell back squat hurts, front squats feel good, you’re front squatting.

 

Back squat, no go but safety bar squat for whatever reason because the angles are different, safety bar squat. Belt squat, goblet squat, figure out the variation. Spit squats. Obviously as you decrease in regression, you’re decreasing the training stimulus but anything is better than nothing. If it’s a shoulder. You can’t overhead press, well then, vertical pull. Or horizontal, stay in that plane. Go do pushups instead.

 

Don’t not go to the gym. If your body with an injury that just happens, the symptoms are very acute, you know what it feels like and so if you’re able to do things in the gym that don’t recreate your symptoms and don’t flare you up the next day, then it was probably okay and you got some good work in. Those are my two recommendations, go to a PT first, don’t freak out, don’t start Googling your diagnosis yourself. That’s literally the worst thing you can do.

 

[0:22:00.4] RT: You’re going to find out that you’re, within no time, pregnant with an alien or something like that.

 

[0:22:04.8] QH: Yeah, and if somebody tells you, if you go to a healthcare provider and they tell you to just stop doing what you’re doing, go to somebody else. This is not a brand, if you go to a PT and you don’t like them and they didn’t help you, that doesn’t mean that physical therapy doesn’t work for you. The same with chiropractic and massage. You go to a different one, you get a second opinion.

 

That’s the same with a medical doctor. If you got to a medical doctor and you don’t like them, you don’t say, “Oh well, doctoring just doesn’t work for me.” You just go to a different one. You get a second opinion. It’s the same for those other professionals as well. It’s so much more rare for a case to be you actually need to give up, find a different hobby. That’s just not the reality in the vast majority of cases. Hopefully that answers the question.

 

[0:22:52.2] RT: No I think it does, I think it’s important because a lot of people, you got to do what the doctor says and then there’s other people who the opinion is, “Well, a surgeon doesn’t really know much about physical therapy. So maybe that’s not the best bet.” But they don’t know what to do.

 

[0:23:06.2] QH: Yeah, there’s certainly a balance there but I would say, just make sure, try to find something that you can do in the gym. You hurt one limb, you got three good limbs that you can train. Don’t worry about imbalances because if you overall de-conditioning is far worse than any perceived imbalance that you’re creating over the course of a month or two while you’re rehabbing and train around. Go train and then go find somebody who understands.

 

[0:23:32.0] RT: Why do you say de-conditioning is worse?

 

[0:23:34.6] QH: The two options: so I hurt my shoulder, I’m going to do — I hurt my left shoulder. I can either squat a ton and do some single arm presses with my right arm. I have three good limbs that I can train, or I can just not go to the gym at all and become weak and decondition throughout my entire body. Physiologically that’s far worse, you’re losing muscle mass, you’re mentally — that’s where depression sets in, you got this kind of change in your lifestyle, it’s going to affect your sleep, it’s going to affect your appetite. So yeah, I mean physiological, it’s just the worst thing you can do is completely stop going to the gym.

 

[0:24:16.9] RT: Yeah. It’s maybe along the lines of, “I ain’t got time to bleed, you got to keep moving,” right?

 

[0:24:24.7] QH: You got to keep moving but that doesn’t mean you jam through your injury either. Don’t be an idiot.

 

[0:24:30.5] RT: Yeah, I had a friend of mine, I remember he broke his arm, wrist or something like that, he was a pole-vaulter I think but he was in the gym the next day training away. It’s like, “Okay, I got a cast on my hand, I can’t really use that hand. I got all these other parts that I could use.”

 

[0:24:44.3] QH: Exactly right, there is a phenomenon. And the literature is out there and we don’t know exactly how it works, I can’t — there’s a lot of stuff that seems to work but we just don’t know how but It’s called some cross over phenomenon. If I have an injured limb, left arm, injured left shoulder but I train my right shoulder, there’s this phenomenon where my left shoulder strength will increase as a result of just the systemic input of training.

 

Just the stimulus alone is going to help my left shoulder, it’s not going to make it the Hulk, I’m not working the muscles but there’s just a stimulus that affects the entire body. So it goes much further than just the limb that you’re training.

 

[0:25:25.5]RT: Yeah, definitely. And I think a big thing that you had said is the depression part of it. And no, you may not become so depressed that you don’t want to leave your room or anything like that or get out of bed in the morning. But that will definitely affect you even on very basic level that you just not in as good shape.

 

[0:25:40.3] QH: Totally.

 

[0:25:40.3] RT: You’re not getting a good sweat, the good hormones start circling in your body, you’re not deep breathing. That in of itself is going to start causing some issues but you throw on top of that, “Man, I’m falling behind, I’m losing all the progress I had, I’m going to be that much further away from my goals,” and that stuff does start to affect you whether you believe that or not, it’s doing something even at a very basic subconscious level, that is affecting you.

 

[0:26:05.5] QH: Absolutely.

 

[0:26:06.5] RT: Okay, let’s jump into the next one which is sharing a story of a time in your training, where you had a breakthrough moment and Quinn, if you don’t mind, take us back and like the last one kind of share the steps with us and paint the picture for us again and just essentially tell us what is it that caused you to kind of take that light bulb moment, turn it into success?

 

[0:26:24.1] QH: Yeah, definitely, we’re going to go back to around the first two years of physical therapy school which is maybe the first year and a half, it’s a three year program, so it’s seven years of total school. But when I started competing just specifically, exclusively in sport of weightlifting, right around 2010. That was when I started physical therapy school as well.

 

And so in college and high school with the snatch and the clean jerk, it was all about the power variations meaning, the queues were to pull the bar as high as you can, you’re not squatting with it the way that the best lifters do to lift the most weight. Just pull it as high as you can and whatever you had to do to get it out there, you know? It wasn’t about technique.

 

And so I engrained those habits for a long time. If you’ve ever seen, still shots of some of the best lifters in the world, they’re in pretty mobile positions, holding a lot of weight. And so there’s this delicate balance between mobility and strength and all I had was the speed and some strength, I didn’t have the mobility. And then think about a PT student now, just becoming obsessed with mobility, it was like this perfect storm and so, what this turned into was hour long mobility sessions before I would go to train.

 

I mean I would go to the gym. Seriously man, I would go to the gym and we go up to the track and spend 60 to 90 minutes poking a band to every joint in my body, foam roll or cross ball, head to toe, “I got to break up these adhesions, I got to release the scar tissue, I got to do this and that.” And lo and behold, it did very little for my movement patterns and I was — my movement was just stuck and I just thought that I need to do more of that.

 

My warm ups got longer, my training suffered because I couldn’t train as long and my patterns didn’t really get any better, I wasn’t really catching my snatch any lower. This is where I — around the time that I started to actually look into this stuff a little further and realize that the nervous system is just the governor of all this stuff. It’s just not a bio-mechanical thing.

 

These mobility implements were not actually breaking up any tissue or not that fragile and the literature is very clear on that, it’s a neural response. So if I foam roll and feel a release, that’s just your nervous system, it’s just perception. That’s why you have to do it every day. If it was breaking up tissue, it would be done. You wouldn’t have to do it and thank god we’re not that fragile right? We’d all have big dents in our upper trap or where the barbell sits or something like that.

 

[0:29:00.9] RT: Good point.

 

[0:29:01.8] QH: So what I learned to do was spend more time actually working on the patterns and so if I wanted to work on a squat, I spent time in these drills and we use a developmental position, it’s kind of like how an infant learns how to squat and explore quadruped and explores half kneeling and then goes from quadruped to standing and back and forth, using like a goblet squad or I would put heels under or lift my heels not because of my ankle mobility but because it gave me a counter balance.

 

And I was able to work on sitting straight down and really focusing on my breathing and my pelvis and my rib cage position and actually working on stability more so than mobility. What I found was, I was way more mobile than I thought I was, I just wasn’t stable, I was not putting my joints and my pelvis and my ribcage in the right position to be able to control or demonstrate my mobility.

 

The result was, far less “mobility work”. So like bands, the cross balls, foam rolls are far less of that. More time spent on just working on the patterns but overall, my warm-up time was decreased significantly and lo and behold, my positions in training got better. The epiphany was actually respecting the nervous system, respecting motor learning and not just taking a passive approach to everything, if that makes sense?

 

[0:30:29.0] RT: Yeah, the whole time you’re talking, all I could think of is Economics 101, the law of diminishing returns. I mean that just keeps kind of bouncing on the back of my mind.

 

[0:30:37.5] QH: Yeah, exactly right.

 

[0:30:38.8] RT: Yeah, but I think what you went through that happens with a lot of things. I mean it could be almost anything at all in all aspects of life, we figure out that something is good or useful or helpful and then it gets taken to an extreme and all of a sudden we realize, “You know what? Probably got it maybe pulled back a little bit from here because it’s not maybe good in smaller amounts, but not so great in huge amounts.” Or it’s all of a sudden you start to realize, “Okay, it was helpful if I would roll for maybe 20 minutes to 10 minutes a day but,” like you said, “I’m not getting anything out of it when I start stretching it to double and triple that time.”

 

[0:31:15.4] QH: Totally, I wouldn’t take that time back because it taught me so much, I think I needed that, I wasn’t ready to hear — the Quinn Henoch five years ago would really hate the Quinn Henoch now.

 

[0:31:26.6] RT: That’s good though man, that’s a good thing.

 

[0:31:27.9] QH: Oh it is good. When I was in that time period and if somebody would have told me, “Dude, you know that’s not actually not doing anything, right? You’re wasting your time.” I would have laughed at him, I would have told them to F off. I wasn’t ready to hear it. It was only until, it was only after a long time of failure that I began to realize and I just needed to figure it out on my own.

 

I needed to be ready to hear it and now I feel like I have a unique perspective on how to help other people use these things. Now I’ve kind of… now it’s a blend. I’ve gone from each end of the spectrum. Now I’m kind of at the middle. I think it gave me an advantage.

 

[0:32:07.3] RT: Oh yeah.

 

[0:32:07.7] QH: Frustrating time but it was necessary.

 

[0:32:11.2] RT: I would agree with you 100%. I think maybe at this point, the magic trick is okay, in other areas of your life, seeing if you’re potentially doing the same thing or avoiding doing the same thing so you don’t have to go through that crazy learning curve again.

 

[0:32:24.9] QH: Exactly.

 

[0:32:26.3] RT: I think that’s good, I would agree with you, I think that is a benefit and I think all of us are doing it in one form or another and probably don’t even realize it.

 

[0:32:35.4] QH: I would agree.

 

[0:32:36.8] RT: I think that happens with a lot of us. So good, good. All right, Quinn, we’re going to go to a break okay?

 

[0:32:42.3] QH: Okay.

 

[0:32:42.4] RT: We’re going to come right back. Guys, this is Super Strength Show and we got Dr. Quinn Henoch from Clinical Athlete, we’ll be right back guys, hold on to your Dumbbells.

 

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[0:33:57.5] RT: Okay everyone, we’re back Dr. Quinn Henoch, ClinicalAthlete.com,

Darkside. By the way, I haven’t heard of that group until recently and I got to say, that’s an interesting name, I can’t help but think of Darth Vader or something like that.

 

[0:34:11.7] QH: Yeah, it kind of is, if you look at the website and see the logo, it’s got a dark feel to it but it’s good, it’s a good outlet.

 

[0:34:18.6] RT: Juggernaut HQ, Darkside Strength, you are affiliated with both of these groups, fantastic. Juggernaut is fantastic. Chad Smith, we had him on the show, great guy, got to have to check out the guys at Darkside and then Paradigm Performance Therapy is your clinic.

 

[0:34:33.7] QH: Yes, it’s that, it’s the Clinical Athlete HQ which we can kind of — Clinical Athlete is just a directory of health care providers who understand performance It’s kind of what we eluded to earlier Ray, talking about finding a provider who is not going to tell you to just stop squatting. There is the directory, I created that because of that exact reason. clinicalathlete.com. So I called it a clinic, kind of clinical athlete HQ as well, just as a home base.

 

[0:35:02.5] RT: Yeah, you know what? I think that’s an amazing resource because the problem is, when you’re a doctor, just like a traditionally trained doctor which I am not and I don’t play one on TV either or on the internet. But anyway, the thinking is, we want to fix this guy’s problem and that is the focus. Whatever this injury is or issue, this is what we want to address.

 

[0:35:22.7] QH: Right.

 

[0:35:23.2] RT: Everything else is — I don’t even know if it’s even secondary for probably the majority of doctors because to them, again, the one and only thing they’re focused on is that whether or not you’re going to squat again, you’re going to run around again. Sure, I’m sure they would probably like to allow you to do that but that is not something that’s top of their list.

 

To essentially expect them to value that hobby, that activity, that you are a part of, when they themselves really do not partake in it, it’s difficult. I mean it’s not really fair to expect them to appreciate or understand that, whereas when you find somebody who does do that and they really understand the value of that in your life and that it is important to you, that person, that therapist, clinician, whoever it may be, in all likelihood would be much more likely to figure a way to help you maintain that ability and regain full ability after having an issue of some sort.

 

[0:36:17.5] QH: Oh yeah, it works both ways, the patient is just so much more comfortable, confident in the process which means a lot. You pick the right intervention, but if the patient doesn’t believe in it, it’s not going to work. And so that relationship is just so important. That’s what we kind of setup as a directory of clinicians that are just exactly what you just described and they’re out there. It’s a special group.

 

So we’re adding people, I interview all of them. There’s an application process, there’s a phone conference. If I can meet in person, we’re doing that. This is a special group and I want to keep it that way. So just know, that’s kind of the process and you if you find a provider in your area or see one on the map, just right then and there you can know that it means something.

 

[0:37:07.2] RT: Yeah, and the beautiful thing is, it’s just right there to access for free, you don’t have to sign up, nothing, it’s right there.

[0:37:12.3] QH: Absolutely.

 

[0:37:14.4] RT: Okay, I was going to ask if you could recommend one training resource for our listeners, what would it be? Would it be that?

 

[0:37:19.4] QH: I’m going to go with, because that’s more of rehab and corrective and we’re talking training, I’m going to go with The Scientific Principles of Strength Training. That’s a book by Dr. Mike Israetel and Dr. James Hoffman and Chad Wesley Smith. Now I get zero kickback form that. This is a sincere recommendation, scientific principles of strength training, it’s on the juggernaut training systems website and what it is, what they’ve done is take all of the literature and all of the evidence that we have in regards to strength training and they’ve put it in a digestible format.

 

So if any of our listeners have read, things like Science and Practice of Strength Training or even Super Training. Something like that that’s just like an encyclopedia of this stuff and it’s so awesome but then it’s like, “What did I just read?” I got to read one page four times to even get anything out of it. What they had done with this book is taken all those principles and condensed them and listed them, “This is what it means, this is how to apply it and this is how you can build your own program based on these concepts.”

 

What it doesn’t have is cookie cutter, pre-made workout templates at the end which I love. It’s a book, if you want to learn how to be a coach, if you want to learn the actual principles of training, it’s laid out for you. Then you can write your own program.

 

[0:38:57.0] RT: Yeah, I was going to ask you, which means you could write your own program, you just answered the questions.

 

[0:39:01.1] QH: Absolutely.

 

[0:39:03.3] RT: Which is key because when you’re a newbie, you’re going to make gains with basically any program but you’re going to come to a point where those are going to go away and you’re going to start to need to use your noggin to put together an appropriate program, a long term program, not just the next couple of weeks.

 

If you really want to do something and achieve some serious goals with your training, your programming needs to be more long based on more long based type of thinking, not just, “All right, what I’m going to do for the next couple of weeks here?” And just make something up. At the end of those couple of weeks, “Oh what am I going to do next?”

 

[0:39:32.7] QH: Totally, this is not, you know, people here with Chad Wesley Smith, kind of being coauthor will go, “Oh well, you know, Chad, he’s very specialized, he squats 970. I don’t want to do that, that’s not my goal so I’m not going to get the book.” The book is about any athlete that wants to improve their strength progressively over the course of their career. It’s applicable to all sports and all athletes really.

 

At some point, obviously there’s always exceptions, but strength training should be a part of most athletes programs regardless of the sport in some capacity. And so it’s not breaking it down by sport, breaking it down by principle. That’s what I love so much about the book. As a catch all, one resource, I think that’s it.

 

[0:40:21.1] RT: Yeah, we had Mike on a while ago and he was talking about getting that ready to release it. We’re going to have him back on actually and I’m really looking forward to getting my hands on a copy of that book. It sounds like it is kind of the go-to resource. Because like you said, there’s a lot of fantastic books out there, a lot of those old Russian texts and whatnot, they’re great books. But they were not meant, for the most part, they were not really written for the lay man.

 

[0:40:44.3] QH: No.

 

[0:40:46.5] RT: Okay, let’s go on to the next question. One I’d like to goof around with and have some fun. Here we go. This one here, we like to get specific and when we go about answering this one here, if you can give us like one or two points, some good take away that we could put to use right away, we always appreciate that.

 

[0:41:06.9] QH: Okay.

 

[0:41:07.6] RT: Here we go, you’re in your gym, you’re doing your training, door opens up, I walk in and I kind of look over, and guys, everybody knows what I’m going to say, the funk. The funk follows me in. And I’m not talking about pimp juice, I’m not talking about, I don’t got like Al Green playing in the background, none of that stuff is going on. It’s like, there’s a funk, there’s a smell and I try to blame it on Chad. Chad kind of looks at me and he’s like, “Nice try bud, I already know what you’re doing here.”

 

And we point outside and the one and only DeLorean’s parked outside, full tank of hot garbage in the California sun, ready to rock and roll. All you got to do is get it up to 88 miles an hour. Knowing what you now know, how would you structure your training if you were to go back in time to get the best results and the shortest period of time but just as important, if not more importantly, set you up for long term success?

 

[0:41:56.3] QH: Yeah, so I would focus on movement quality over training quantity. I’ll give you some examples. In high school, we actually had a really good high school strength conditioning program for football. When I say good, it was per iodized to a point we were doing all the lifts, we weren’t scared to pull off the ground, to squat, to put weights over our head et cetera. I had that.

 

However, the progressions and the quality of movements was not built in a foundational way. It’s very tough to do that but because you’re giving me the option then that’s what I would do. So here is an example. I was clean, I was doing cleans, full cleans, so pulling from the floor, receiving the bar and a full front squat, before I had any semblance of an unloaded air squat. You know what I mean?

 

So I couldn’t air squat, this is a 14 year old kid, I couldn’t air squat without — I remember because I have pictures — without doing the poop dog at the bottom, without my heels coming out, without my feet collapsing, all of these things, but yet, I was doing full cleans. I couldn’t put a bar over my head without overarching my back, flaring my ribcage, sticking my ass way back. But yet, I was doing split jerk. And so we were loading these dynamic movements that are so far on the other end of the spectrum and I hadn’t fixed the foundational patterns.

 

So what I would go back is I would take the bar off of my back, I would stop doing cleans and I would learn how to squat, I would do goblet squats. I would be doing some split squats, front food elevated, back knee elevated. These different variations just to learn how to flex and extend my hips around the neutral trunk before I ever thought about layering on the weight and certainly the dynamic nature of the Olympic lifts.

 

Going to a deadlift, again, back to a clean, I barely knew, I couldn’t keep my back flat on my clean pull but yet I was doing them, I couldn’t deadlift. I couldn’t even do the first part of the movement correctly. We’re doing snatches but I couldn’t keep my back flat. And so I need to work on, what I would do is work on the hip hinge in that respect. Just learn how to hinge at my hips while keeping my spine neutral before I added load and intensity. Kettlebell deadlifts, single leg deadlifts, rack pulls, probably trap bar deadlifts. It’s the same, you’re getting the stimulus, you’re getting the movement pattern.

 

Who gives a crap about the weight when you’re 14? Who cares about the speed when it looks awful. That was the environment and it’s the same for the overhead press. “Okay, so you’re not going to split jerk or you’re not going to snatch are you kidding me? You can’t even put a bar over your head, we’re going to go into half kneeling and we’re going to do half kneeling kettlebell presses till you can show me that you can get your arm all the way,” and this is me talking to me.

 

“Until you can get your arm all the way over your head, without overextending your lower back, without flaring your ribs, show me you’ve got the mobility in both sides and then maybe you will straight press a bar. Then maybe we’ll do a push press. Then you can think about doing a jerk.”

 

These are just the logical progressions, going back to my wrist injury that I didn’t do, this is now even now, 20 years later. But that’s where I would go back to do, just focus on movement quality and I think coaches are becoming more savvy to this. And understand that loading is the easy part. It doesn’t take any work to put more weight on the bar.

 

It does take a brain to dial it back and make sure the patterns are what you want to load, what you want to reinforce because that’s what loading does, it kind of hits the save button. Grey Cook, physical therapist, talks about that frequently. Make sure the patterns are dialed in, then load then add frequency and volume and then add things like the dynamic nature of the lifts.

 

That’s the biggest thing that I would go back to. Then I would find a coach. The summer before my undergraduate program, football season, me and my teammate found a program on the internet and it was a program from the Miami Hurricanes, from their football, I don’t even know if it was real but it was some website and it said that it was the Miami Hurricanes football program and the volume was just astronomical.

 

Well, it was low reps but the number of sets it was like just 10 waves of just five, four, three two one, up and down waves, just bench. “Today is bench day because we’re going to spend 90 minutes doing waves of bench,” and it was like that for the squat, the deadlift and the snatch and clean and jerk and going back to what I had just said, I hadn’t piled in any of those patterns. By the end of this program, what I’m supposed to be at my strongest and the best shape, going into my college football career, I was the most broken down I had ever been in my life.

 

My knee, I had tendonitis in my knees, I had jumper’s knee, I had my lower back and my hips, I felt broken. It was all because I made the same mistake. I layered on weight and I layered on intensity and dynamics before I had the movement patterns. I didn’t have a coach. We didn’t know.

 

[0:47:31.0] RT: Yeah, exactly. Especially when you’re trying to do — a squat seems relatively basic, a bench press seems relatively basic.

 

[0:47:39.0] QH: I guarantee I was screwing it up.

 

[0:47:41.2] RT: But they’re not. Deadlift, no. You and I we talked prior to starting about the importance of bracing, abdominal bracing. Now that’s a huge deal and that is so much more than what people think. Although once it’s taught to you, it’s not like a super complicated thing to do. There’s a lot more to it than just simply tenth in your abs.

 

[0:48:01.7] QH: It’s where I start, I don’t like speaking absolutes but I’ll say 99% of the people that walk in my door, patience or athletes or coaching clients were starting our process by learning how to breathe brace, stabilize the spine. That doesn’t mean that I’m telling them to walk around with contracted abs and hip hinge if you want to tie your shoes, that’s not what that means at all.

 

But I want them to understand that if you’re going to lift weights, you need to learn how to pressurize the system and you need to learn what a “neutral” spine is, not an over extended spine where you just think, “Arch, arch, arch. I can’t get down or my back is rounding in my squat, I just need to arch harder.” What we’re teaching is finding in much more neutral position and then learning how to inhale and just blow that up.

 

And so if you want to think about putting a belt on, a weightlifting belt but loosely so it’s just fitting around your torso and then you breathe in through your nose and you push air into that belt, it should fill 360 degrees. So if I put my fingers between your torso and the belt, I should feel pressure all the way around.

 

I think that that is a lost — it’s so simple that I think people take it for granted that they’re doing it and very few are doing that optimally. You had mentioned before we started the recording how much improvement you saw from just adding in that simple queue that if we packaged it up and sold it, people wouldn’t believe it.

 

[0:49:39.5] RT: No. I wouldn’t be surprised if the average person who in all likelihood is not doing it correctly. If they did it correctly, they could probably add 10% to their lift very quickly.

 

[0:49:48.8] QH: I guarantee it.

 

[0:49:49.6] RT: In a lot of the main movements like the squat, the deadlift, it’s important for the overhead press, it’s important for the rope. Any compound movement, even the bench press when you’re on your back, if you use lag drive, that lag drive has to go through your core to get up into your chest, shoulders and eventually in your arms and out to the bar.

 

So your core is kind of like the transmission in the car or the tires on the ground to a degree and if — it’s a point that you could potential leak power and it is arguably one of the main areas that that can happen.

 

[0:50:22.0] QH: Yeah.

 

[0:50:22.5] RT: The moment you learn how to compress properly, it practically eliminates butt wink, it protects you, keeps you safe, allows you to put more weight on the bar, overhead pressing, you don’t end up arching way too much and injuring your spine because you’re overarched, it does so many things. It helps with form. If you think you’re doing your form perfect but yet you’re still not doing it right and you can tell, this is still not working right, you may want to consider whether or not you’re bracing properly and in all likelihood you probably aren’t because the minute you do that, it just seems like everything else falls into place relatively easily.

 

[0:50:55.5] QH: Yeah, I had mentioned earlier the importance of position and stability and the bottom of the pyramid is the breathing. I can’t teach you how to fix your position with the weight on that’s already on your back. That’s not where you learn to do that and that’s why we start on our backs, feet up on the wall, my hands, I’ve got both hands on your ribs, I’m telling you to exhale as much as you can and exhale, you’re shaking like a leaf and then inhale without pulling your ribs up.

 

It’s a process but it’s a teaching tool and like you said, once you feel it and once you learn, the coaching is now easy on my part because I can just be like, “You remember what you did there during our berating drill? Now you do it now.” Full 360 degrees, they know what that means because they did it on the floor on a much easier position to learn from. That’s why we start that way.

 

I’ve got videos on my Quinn Henoch YouTube channel. Just type in my name and breathing in Google and you’ll get our Darkside Strength and breathing. All of the info that you want on that. it’s derived, there’s two schools of thought out that predominantly are kind of making it more mainstream right now. One of which is DNS — dynamic neuromuscular stabilization. The other one is PRI, what I’ve more so learned from, the postural restoration institute.

 

And those are schools of thought that they have their own rabbit holds and can go a lot much more deeper. Just the general concepts of breathing and bracing and how important position is, to drive posture and performances. I use it with everyone. Just foundational, it’s that important.

 

[0:52:38.0] RT: Yeah, 100% for sure. Without a doubt. I can’t stress enough just because it’s amazing how much it just adds to your performance, you end up being able to lift more which says not only are you going to be able to get more performance and get stronger but ultimately you’re going to get more size, muscular, size gains.

 

[0:52:54.9] QH: Exactly.

 

[0:52:55.3] RT: You’re doing all this while keeping yourself safe. Yeah, crucial, I highly recommend you guys check that stuff out. I think it’s a great resource that you put out there. I do want to ask you quickly though, with the prior question there, the question we were talking about. Where would you go to find out how to properly progress through the movements?

 

[0:53:11.1] QH: Okay, similar, so we use a sequence that just in general, mimic the developmental sequence and what we mean by that is, we’ve all seen babies or like a picture of a baby squatting on the internet and look, you should squat like a baby. That’s kind of BS because an infant has those huge watermelon heads, so it’s like a counterbalance and they have hip sockets that aren’t actually hip sockets, they look more like shoulders. They’re just built to have a mobile squat. They learn by exploring positions.

 

They don’t have a squat coach, nobody’s queuing them. They go from supin, knees up and this three month position we call, then they go to sideline and they kind of roll to quadruped and crawl and quadruped, it looks a whole lot like a squat. If you were to kind of turn the camera, flip them on their feet, it looks like they’re squatting and they go to half kneeling, tall kneeling, learning how to extend and flex their hips and then they stand and squat and they’ve explored these positions, the floor gives them external support, it gives them a queue.

 

Allows some proprioception through their body so that they can kind of feel where their body is and it’s just a great way to teach somebody how to move. Where can you find that? I mean, several resources. My YouTube channel is chock full of drills that utilize the developmental positions. The Darkside Strength YouTube channel, full of discussion videos and demos of the same thing. Articles that I’ve done on Juggernaut, “The Best Damn Squat Mobility Article, Period.” I know it sounds very pompous, I didn’t actually come up with that title just for the record.

 

[0:54:53.5] RT: It is a damn good article. I’ll say that.

 

[0:54:56.8] QH: Okay, well what I outline is literally, we call it a ground up approach because that’s literally how we’re doing it, we’re building you up from the ground and I outline specific protocol there for the squat. Those are the resources. The point is, not that everybody’s like, “Well what’s the best half kneeling position? What’s the best exercising quadruped?” And there is none. It’s not about the best exercise, it’s about, own that position, know what it’s like, say you’re in quadruped to rock your hips back and forth into a deep squat without moving your lower back.

 

Then once you have that concept, you can do — the exercise options are endless, you can do a lap pull with a bend, you can crawl, you can do holds where you lift a hand and put it up by your ear so you’re in kind of an overhead squat, half kneeling, pressing, pulling, chops and lifts, pal off presses. It really doesn’t matter. The point is that you’re just building stability in different positions. Then, when it’s time to actually squat on your feet, the need for coaching and queuing is just so far less because the athlete has already felt those positions pretty flexibly.

 

Just like the baby, they don’t need to be queued, they just, all of a sudden they know how to squat because they felt it in different facets and that’s what really just Quinn Henoch, Juggernaut and all the articles are there. It’s a facet of everything that we do. There’s not one definitive article on that because it’s a part of all of them.

 

[0:56:31.6] RT: Yeah, it’s amazing how many guys who are in the know really know what they’re talking about, essentially echo what you’re saying right now. You got to get the movements down before you start adding weight, otherwise you’re looking for trouble.

 

[0:56:43.6] QH: Yeah, I’ll say this. I do this because I learned it from guys who are just infinitely smarter than me. Grey Cook, Perform Better and function movement systems, the FMS takes a lot of flak but he’s been doing this stuff since the 90’s. He’s been saying, “Build the mobility, the mobility’s great but we need to layer on stability, you need to layer on motor patterns, get them in half,” and he’s been saying this. Charlie Weingroff, all these guys.

 

I think what we’re doing is just trying to make it digestible and a little bit more mainstream for our population and our population happens to be athletes who use the squat as part of their sport. Powerlifters, weightlifters, CrossFit, Strong Man but again, the football guys that come in the door, that’s their training too. You know what I mean? So it’s just universal.

 

[0:57:36.2] RT: Yup, again, it seems so fundamental and I’ve mentioned this piece a couple of times on the show as well and Dmitry Klokov, a lot of people know who he is, the Olympic weightlifter. He’s gotten really popular and what not. He showed a video one time where they were, it almost look like a tennis court of some sort and had a bunch of people sitting in the bleachers and this is, I’m pretty sure it was in Russia and there was a bunch of children, they look like they were maybe twins, I don’t even know if they were teenagers but they were in that range. They were very young, probably between 10 and maybe 14, something like that.

 

They were doing the Olympic lifts but I mean, they just had a bar and in that bar, it was not, I’m certain it wasn’t a regulation bar or anything like that. Tiny little disk plates on it in terms of thickness, it was very, very lightweights.  He was asked, what are they doing? He said, “They’re being judged on how much the lift but on the quality of their form.” Almost like, when I heard that, it reminded me in martial arts when you have like in Karate, you have like Kata’s. Where you go through a bunch of movements, set pattern of movements and you get judged on the quality of your technique.

 

[0:58:43.2] QH: Exactly.

 

[0:58:44.4] RT: That’s what they were engraining in these kids and I just thought to myself like, “Man, the majority of us, when we get to train, we can’t wait until we’re putting up two, three, four, 500 pounds, we don’t even care about what it takes to get there. Crap, form, we’re sky humping when we’re benching, we’re banana backing and cats and the back alley taking a dump deadlifts. We’re good morning squatting, spines are shooting all over the place, all over into the walls and the vertebrate is all stuck in the cinder blocks in the walls and the ceilings.”

 

We don’t realize that that’s the worst thing because if your form’s down, the bracing is correct, your form is down, your mobility is right, now you’re using the proper muscles and the proper ways which is ultimately going to let you lift the most amount of weight and do so in a way that isn’t going to kill you and allow you to have the longevity you need to ultimately reach those really heavy weights, if that’s what you’re looking for. Or for that, the best performance that you can get out of yourself regardless of how much weight you’re lifting.

 

[0:59:37.0] QH: Yeah, they do it right over there man. The youth development is just night and day different than what it is here. We had it right way back when, you see the old pictures of white T-shirts and short white shorts climbing the ropes and plan and doing all the stuff. I don’t know what went wrong, but now we’re learning the rules of kickball, don’t even have to participate if you don’t bring your clothes.

 

It’s an atrocity and that what you said with the subjective scoring of the weightlifting, it was something that just was so stuck with me, just resounding that that’s what they’re doing, just makes so much sense. Chat had went to a Russian weightlifting seminar here in California a few years ago and Klokov was there and also was Ilya Ilyin who is arguably one of the best weightlifters in the history and he said that his training when he was in that age was very little weightlifting and it was a lot of everything else.

 

[1:00:33.0] RT: Exactly.

 

[1:00:34.2] QH: Jumping, rolling, swimming, sprinting, falling, you know? That’s how he built and then he built that base, you can’t have a high pyramid if you don’t have a broad base.

 

[1:00:43.8] RT: That’s right.

 

[1:00:44.7] QH: The broader the base, the higher the peak. And that’s what he did.

 

[1:00:48.8] RT: Agreed, we’ve had a few guys on the show say the same thing, “If we could go back, we’d have more of a gymnastics/track and field type of fundamentals.”

 

[1:00:57.1] QH: Martial arts.

 

[1:00:57.9] RT: Exactly, martial arts background where you have, you learn good control over your body and a variety of movements. You develop good mobility, good flexibility, just overall general strength and health and nothing really super specific in terms of the weights you’re lifting and not even that stuff, they’re talking more calisthenics and track and field kind of stuff.

 

[1:01:17.5] QH: Yeah, exactly.

 

[1:01:19.0] RT: That does, I believe just do so much for you down the road and that’s a good way of putting it the way you said, you need that large base to get that peak way up there. We had Steve — no, go ahead.

 

[1:01:29.0] QH: I was going to just say the gymnastics and the martial arts. This doesn’t mean competitive gymnastics because that’s the same problem. Over specialization but just the nature of being able to flip and fall and twist and be able to get up and be oriented, not have our head spin and the same with martial arts, the body awareness from that, you can really build a monster. Because they’re going to be able to pretty much get the condition that you load or to add power or intensity and that is just about training. You don’t have to develop those qualities anymore.

 

[1:02:04.7] RT: Yeah, agreed. Now you could focus on the progress as opposed to getting all the fundamentals in order before you can actually start progressing. Yeah, agreed. Steve Maxwell, when he was on the show, just to touch on what you said with the whole we had it right and what the heck happened. He was talking about how, I think it was the marines came to their schools, to their grade schools and they put them through these PT tests and I think it was based off of like, I could be wrong, but I think it was the Marine or Army or military selection process.

 

He said they had him doing things like chin ups and you got to get your chin over the bar and one thing he mentioned that really stuck with me was they had them doing burpees and they said they had these dots drawn on like your thigh on your calf and maybe somewhere else I don’t remember. But you had to like, literally squat all the way down, those dots were pretty much touching if not touching, get down in the push up position of the burpee and just a complete full range of motion and they had them going through all of that stuff and I don’t know what happened man. I don’t know.

 

I’m thinking right now, I remember when I was in grade school, that’s when they started to get away from the gymnastic stuff. That’s when they just started to do it, we were allowed in my grade, we were still allowed to mess around with the gymnastic rings. There was the pummel horse we’d mess around on that, there was a spring board and looking back at it, I guess I could kind of understand why they got rid of it.

 

[1:03:26.4] QH: Well yeah.

 

[1:03:27.2] RT: The reason they got rid of it is because, in all likelihood, probably budget cuts and what not, who knows? Maybe one too many Timmy’s sprained their ankles. People freaked out, parents lost it. But the reality is that if the proper programs were in place and they had the teaching staff and the staff one that had the funding to be able to handle these programs, in all likelihood, it would have been fine and we would have been so much better off. Now, kids are lucky to get an hour, two half hour sessions a week worth of exercise.

 

[1:03:55.0] QH: Yeah, and they’re cutting out recess which is odd just because there’s plenty of research out there that says that physical activity during the school day increases test scores, it increases cognition.

 

[1:04:06.9] RT: Are you kidding me? What about the book that was written? Hold on — oh man it’s right on the tip of my tongue, it’s based on work but the author who wrote the book based it off of working with elite athletes or something of that nature and it was the zone? The flow? What the heck was that called man? He had this cycles where you would go for like let’s say two hours of work or an hour worth of work and then you’d break it up with like 10 minutes of activity. You go back at it again. I can’t believe I can’t remember the name of this book right now off the top of my head. It’s right on the tip of my tongue.

 

Anyway and he found that that’s how people would tend to be the most productive is what they found. You would do very focused blocks of work for whatever, 20 minutes, 60, minutes, however long it was. I think it was 15 minutes on, 10 minutes off I think is what it was. 15 minutes on, 10 minutes off, you do that for two or three blocks and then the last block, you take like a 20 minute or half hour break, something like that.

 

[1:05:00.4] QH: I’ve read that. Just when you said that ratio because I had memory that I don’t remember the name of it either. Shame on us.

 

[1:05:08.8] RT: It’s right on the tip of my tongue man, I just read it again the other day just to go through and find the specific things. Tony something I think is his name. I’ll try to figure it out if we got time here before the end of the show. Speaking of the end of the show, we’re pretty much there. We’ve been here for a while here man. It’s really good talking to you Quinn, holy moly. On behalf of myself and the audience, thank you so much for carving out this time from your day and sharing this information with us.

 

[1:05:30.9] QH: Yeah, I appreciate it, I’m honored man, thank you.

 

[1:05:33.3] RT: Yeah, you could definitely hear the passion in your voice and you can tell that you want to get this information out there, you want people to get better. You’re doing it, you’re putting out a tremendous amount of quality information. If people just go on YouTube, if they don’t want to reach, just go on YouTube man. I mean you’ve got some videos that are like 20 minutes now. You have some shorter ones too if anybody gets freaked out by that.

 

But like 20, 30 minutes, people play to attend a workshop to learn the stuff that you’re handing out for people. I mean in my opinion, the fundamentals, I know this sound boring guys, I know they do, the reality is, the difference between somebody who’s in elite level of anything compared with somebody who is fresh is ultimately, they just perform the fundamentals at a much better level really.

 

[1:06:20.8] QH: Yeah, absolutely.

 

[1:06:21.1] RT: Really, it’s like in martial arts, look, UFC’s really popular. How many times have we seen guys do crazy spinning, flipping, kicks and this that and the other. Man, you never see that stuff. It’s all the fundamental stuff. Jabs, crosses, hooks, uppercuts, leg kicks, front kicks. You don’t even really see sidekicks for the most part and some may argue that maybe some of the guys aren’t skilled enough to do that because it’s a tricky move. The point still holds, the fundamentals man are so, so key. They’re just absolutely essential.

 

[1:06:52.0] QH: Well Chad Wesley Smith talks about this a lot. He says, people only want to look at the programs that the best guys are doing now. They forget what the best guys did to get there. That’s what you’re talking about, that’s the fundamentals. I think that going back to the breathing drills, if there’s one piece of advice that I’ll end with is that. You and I had talked about, I said that if you packaged up, if I said I could increase 50 pounds in your squat six weeks right?

 

The product was some type of mobility implemented or some like specialty bar, “Increase your squat by 50 pounds in six weeks.” People would go nuts, they would eat that up. But what of the product was one of my 20 minute breathing videos? Nobody would buy, they would laugh but yet, something that simple, I promise you I see it on a weekly basis, adds that type of boost to your performance because it’s the foundation and then everything from there improves.

 

It’s not a product, it’s free, it’s all over the internet. I’ll leave again, I just can’t stress that enough. Learn the basics of how to stabilize your ribcage and your pelvis and I promise you your hip mobility will get better because you now have a stable pelvis. Your shoulder mobility will improve because you have a stable rib cage. Yeah, certainly you can layer on stretching and mobility on top of that but it shouldn’t be the inverse.

 

[1:08:23.9] RT: Yeah, agreed.

 

[1:08:24.4] QH: That’s the point.

 

[1:08:26.0] RT: Agreed. This stuff is so fundamental, so important. It will take you so far. I always say, “Put this stuff to use,” and I mean, this is stuff that is immediately applicable and not only that, the videos are out there, his articles are out there. You don’t have to pay anything and just go online and we’ll like that stuff up on the show notes page.

 

By the way, Tony Schwartz was his name, I remember, Tony Schwartz, Powerful Engagement, that’s what it was called. So guys, take advantage of that. Okay, in closing, before we wrap up, where can we find out more about you and then just some parting advice which you’ve been providing us the whole entire time here.

 

[1:08:59.1] QH: Okay yeah. So if — I have a website coming out and when this show launches, I don’t’ think it will still be live. I’ll just say it’s coming out, most of the listeners, well, it will be live once you’re hearing this. drquinnhenoch.com, all one word, it’s going to be kind of my hub and you mentioned all the entities that I’m associated with, Darkside, Juggernaut, Clinical Athlete. Everybody’s like, “Who the hell are you? We don’t’ even know who you are and you got so many names.”

 

So this is — that’s going to be the hub, That’s going to be where all my affiliations are explained and then all the services, events, all that stuff. So drquinnhenoch.com. For the time being you can just email quinn@clinicalathlete.com if you’re interested in services or have questions about events or if I can point you in the direction of a clinician, if you’re not local, who can help you out. For articles that I’ve done for juggernaut, just Google “Quinn Henoch, Juggernaut Training” and then I have a URL with all my articles.

 

Chad has been nice enough to put that together for me. That will be the first thing that pops up if you want all of them in one place. Same thing with Quinn Henoch dark side. Google that and you’ll get all the articles, all the videos and then look, be on the lookout in the coming months for a book. I can’t yet say the entity but people will know and it’s going to be good and it’s going to lay out a lot of the stuff that we talked about today. So I’m excited about that.

 

[1:10:28.9] RT: High quality information man. I can’t get over just how amazing it is today, the quality of information that we can access. Not only how accessible it is in the sense of you can find this stuff but accessible in the sense of you could understand, digest and implement it. I just want to thank you for what you’re doing, how you’re putting out that great content, especially so much of it is just out there for free for people to use.

 

There was a time when it was extremely difficult to find quality information and it wasn’t that long ago and now we’re in the realm where we’re just swamped in so much info, and a lot of it really isn’t too good. That being said, there’s some gems out there and that’s what we love to bring on the show here, to expose to our audience and I’m telling you guys, right now, you got it right here.

 

I know he’s got doctor in front of his name, sounds fancy schmancy and all that good stuff but it’s for a good reason. This guy really knows what he’s talking about, I highly recommend you follow what he’s saying and take it to heart, give it a shot, see what it will do for you. If you’re in the California area, if you’re in his neck of the woods, can they drop by? How does that work?

 

[1:11:31.7] QH: Yeah, absolutely. We’re in Orange County, if you go to JTSstrength.com or just Google juggernaut Jim, the link to the gym will pop up, we’re in southern Orange County, Laguna Miguel, pop in, there’s usually always somebody here. Shoot me an email again at Quinn@clinicalathlete.com if you’re looking for something in specific or if you just want to drop in and check the place out, we’re more than happy to accommodate.

 

[1:12:00.1] RT: Beautiful. Listen to that guys, this is somebody who is working with elite level athletes, I say it all the time, the only real short cut is doing it right the first time and I mean listen, that’s not going to happen unless you have someone that would guide you along the way. Otherwise, it means you’ve done it before or you’re just one lucky SOB and just going off the luck is just not the way to do it.

 

Probably less of a chance of winning that lottery than the real lottery. Find somebody who has been there, done that, a mentor who has taken others there just like you and can take you there as well. Here you go. Dr. Quinn Henoch is one of them for sure. clinicalathlete.com. Juggernaut HQ, Chad Wesley Smith and his whole crew. Marisa Inda, all of them, you go check those guys out, they’re just on another level themselves, they’re amazing.

 

So much good information. The people he’s affiliated with, look guys, today’s day and age with social media, it’s like back in the old days when we all used to live in small little towns or cities or villages. Word travelled and spread really fast especially if somebody was up to no good or was a sheister. That’s the beautiful thing nowadays, you like these terms don’t you? They’re really technical. That’s the beauty of social media and the internet nowadays, especially social media.

 

I really do think Quinn, as you kind of get out there and get your name out there and really start stepping out there and producing the type of content that you’ve been producing. People are going to start to realize, not only does this guy know what he’s doing but damn, he’s been involved with some pretty impressive people and your work speaks for itself. So check him out. If he wasn’t who he said he was, it wouldn’t be too long for the internet took him down.

 

[1:13:35.5] QH: Yeah.

 

[1:13:37.2] RT: That goes for all of us man.

 

[1:13:38.4] QH: Yeah, that’s true. Something you said there, the only shortcut is doing it right the first time. I like that, I’m going to steal that just so you know.

 

[1:13:46.1] RT: Yeah, that’s the closest thing to a real life shortcut is doing it right the first time and the only thing that means is, you’re not screwing around wasting time.

 

[1:13:52.1] QH: Yeah.

 

[1:13:52.9] RT: But how many of us are going to be able to pull that off? Finding somebody like you though, a lot of good things happen. Somebody like you, somebody like Chad, these different people we get them to come on the show, they could show you the path to go down that they’ve gotten results and ideally you want it, like I said, to be somebody who has been there, done that.

 

Just like you said that with the clinicians that are on the Clinical Athlete, they’re people who are athletes themselves. They can relate to you better. When I say, “Been there done that,” I’m saying that I’m tapping into that. When you say that I’m just like, “Hell yeah, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.” Then also, they had the ability to take others like you to the promise land and they’ve come back and they’re going to take you there too. Not only are they somebody who can really make it happen but the can teach as well and coach people.

 

In all honesty, that’s the closest thing to a shortcut man? That qualifies as a mentor basically and just check them out, make sure they know what they’re talking about and I keep praising Quinn here but it’s for a good reason, he’s teaching some really important stuff, some vitally important and one of the things that we touched on, the abdominal bracing — I got to end this interview because we’re just going and going here.

 

The abdominal bracing, I can’t get over how important that is. Quinn hit it in the nail on the head when he said, if we package that up, some type of a product and basically we’re selling air. If you think about it, it’s selling air and we were just like, “Here, you know what? Just have it.” Many times people would just go, “No, we’ll pay you, here. We’ll pay you with extra gains, with extra iron on the bar, that’s how we’re paying you, in iron,” just like in the old days of Sparta, they used to pay with iron.

 

Most people would just be like, “What are you talking about? It’s not — what?” But the reality is you dial that in and it just make so many magical things happen. For me, I guess sit’s kind of hitting close to home because I understand the value of that. Especially not too long ago I kind of clued in to that and I’m still learning quite a bit and I can’t wait to go dig into more of Quinn’s stuff and if I’m ever in the California area, I’m definitely swinging by. I would absolutely love that.

 

Check that out guys, I know what it’s like to get frustrated and not make good gains. Take advantage of these amazing people we have on the show. He provided his email address, just think about this. Not too long ago, guys like Quinn, the only places you’d find them is on professional sports teams for the most part. Good luck trying to get in touch with them, it’s not going to happen, you won’t even know who he was anyway because they weren’t really out there and now here they are, he’s saying, “I’ll provide you with my email address.” I’ve given you guys a free resource where I’ve vetted people and I’m vouching for them. If this was the mafia and things didn’t go right, somebody’s hand would be missing.

 

[1:16:28.3] QH: That’s right.

 

[1:16:30.8] RT: Right? Anyway, I think I’m off my soap box now. Okay guys. Go to the website, put in Quinn Henoch, correct?

 

[1:16:44.0] QH: Correct.

 

[1:16:45.7] RT: But he pronounced it Heneck, I wanted to double check that at the beginning of the show. Show notes page will come up, you could listen to it there, you could download it, you can share it with other people to social media buttons, we really appreciate that. There’s also links to go to the various podcasting platforms we’re on, you could listen to them there like Stitcher, iTunes but I suggest signing up so the shows come directly to you.

 

Also, you could leave a review. If what we’re doing resonates with you, if you’d like what we’re saying, if you enjoy the show and you want to provide some feedback and five star reviews are key for us. They’re very important. If you think we deserve it, we’d love it, especially on iTunes. All of you who have been writing us with reviews, thank you so much, so many kind words.

 

It’s important not only does this make the show rank higher in the rankings which is great, good for the ego and all that good stuff but more importantly, it allows guys like Quinn to say, “You know what? It’s worthwhile coming on this show.” And he realizes this as an engaged audience, good platform to say his thing, quality production and then ultimately we benefit because he’s taking time out of his day, today he took quite a bit more actually than what we agreed upon, so I really want to thank him for that.

 

We’ll have links to all the goodies that Quinn mentioned on the show notes page, a lot of good stuff on it, a lot of bonuses, way to get a hold of him, all that stuff will all be on there, we’ll make sure to include everything there. Feedback — good, bad or fugly, feedback@superstrengthshow.com. Let us know what you like, what you want us to change, do more of, just whatever it is, don’t hold back, send it over, we take it all into consideration, we love every single one that we get.

 

Also, info@superstrengthshow.com. Send us your before and after, if you got a home gym setup, send us that, if you got links to videos of yourself, send those over, the link itself and we’ll share that with the audience, with the crowd, social media platforms, we love doing that too. When you’re on the website, don’t forget to sign up for the free report, we actually cover a lot of the stuff that we’ve been talking about on the interview in that report and also, you will get some great tips, information, who is coming out, show schedules, all that great stuff will all be on there. With that being said, thank you one last time Quinn, I really appreciated this.

 

[1:18:34.8] QH: Ray, thank you, I was honored to be on the show, I appreciate it.

 

[1:18:37.8] RT: Thank you, that means a lot to me and I’d love to have you back on.

 

[1:18:41.2] QH: Sounds great.

 

[1:18:42.5] RT: Guys, put this stuff to use and until next time, train smart, train hard and we’ll talk to you then.
[END]

 

More Specifically in this Episode You’ll Learn About

  • The shift from today’s physical culture to healthcare professionals
  • Being a lifelong student
  • Never stop learning
  • How to overcome injuries and train around the symptoms
  • Deconditioning is worse than training with an acute injury
  • Respect for the nervous system and motor learning
  • Movement quality over training quantity
  • Making sure your movement patterns are dialed in first
  • Breathing and bracing
  • How to build stability in different positions
  • Learn the basics and the fundamentals

About Dr. Quinn Henoch

Dr. Quinn Henoch has a Doctorate of Physical Therapy from the University of Indianapolis and is head of rehabilitation for Juggernaut HQ and Darkside Strength. His clinic, Paradigm Performance Therapy, is adjacent to the new Juggernaut gym located in Laguna Niguel, CA.

Quinn played football at the Div 1-AA level at Valparaiso University as a defensive back.  He has also competed in track and field, Crossfit, and powerlifting.

Currently, he trains full time as an Olympic weightlifter, and competed in the 2014 American Open and has qualified for the 2015 National Championships as a 77kg lifter.

You can connect with him by visiting ClinicalAthlete.com

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Training Resources Mentioned in this Episode

Scientific Principles of Strength Training by Mike Israel, James Hoffmann, and Chad Wesley Smith

The Best Damn Squat Mobility Article. Period. By Dr. Quinn Henoch

Guest Videos

Breathing Drill


Why Stretching Isn’t the Answer


Passive Hip Range of Motion Screen For The Squat


Utility of The Goblet Squat

Snatches Up To 116kg

Connect With Dr. Quinn Henoch

Website
Facebook – Clinical Athlete
Facebook – Dr. Quinn Henoch, PT
Twitter  – @DrQuinnHenochPT
Instagram – @clinicalathlete
Instagram – @quinn.henochdpt
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    I recommend this podcast to anyone that trying to physically and mental better them self in every aspect.

  • Excellent Resource
    July 25, 2015 by J. Steinmann from United States

    Some great interviews with a wide variety of people. I've listened to a number of episodes, and there's always some great information in every interview. If you're serious about strength training, health and fitness, or just want some good life philosophy, this podcast is worth a listen.

  • Must subscribe!
    July 9, 2015 by Roddygo from United States

    This is one of the best fitness podcasts. A lot of big names from various backgrounds and Ray asks good questions. He also knows when to ask follow up questions without getting too out of subject and having the guests share some more secrets

  • Great Show!
    July 8, 2015 by Wes Kennedy from Canada

    Ray is a great host and has a wide range of quality and professional coaches that have a TON of experience to share with you. Check it out!

  • Excellent interviews!
    July 8, 2015 by another anatomy geek from United States

    Ray does a fantastic job of asking articulate and interesting questions. I always really enjoy his podcasts and learn useful info! Keep up the good work!

  • has become the best Strength podcast
    June 21, 2015 by SuperHuman YYZ from Canada

    I think its overtaken superhuman radio and motivation + muscle as the top podcast for those who love physical culture and the iron game. Ray does a great job interviewing, just the right amount of interjecting his ideas and opinions. The guest list is incredible, the who's who, past and present.

  • The fountain of youth.
    June 10, 2015 by rroxanne from Canada

    Very good . I love the article. I listened to it 3 times to write everything down. Lol. Bad memory. Oh and love Rays voice.

  • just pure MEGA, Pig Iron all the way
    May 25, 2015 by Strongman1981 from United Kingdom

    The Super Strength Show is an amazing and extremely informative resource for anyone involved in physical culture. With an enthusiastic and highly intelligent host and a who’s who’s line up of guests, a must for anyone to sit down, eat grapefruits and enjoy. great work chaps

  • On another level! Once you hear one episode you will have to hear them all!
    May 22, 2015 by Chuck Osswald from United States

    Super Strength Show starts with top performers/coaches/trainers from around the world and chunks down all the important pieces, directed towards any audience. Ray Toulany is unparalled in his ability to make information easy to understand as well as tease out the unspoken gems. You will be glued to your speakers for the entire episode and find yourself eagerly waiting for more. The care put into each episode is clear with a show notes page that helps the curious learn in any medium. Keep up the great work and thanks Ray!

  • A fountain of Strength and training knowledge
    May 14, 2015 by HCF82 from United Kingdom

    After searching for an age to find a good strength podcast I discovered the super strength show through Chris Duffins interview and have been hooked since. The format is excellent with some of the best voices in the world of strength and conditioning appearing. No nonsense straight talking, this really should be one of your first resources to go to if you are a coach or an average joe looking to improve in the weight room.

  • fantastic
    May 10, 2015 by gena_wallis from Australia

    i enjoyed your session.looking forward to more staff.Victor from the Youngpreneurs Podcast!

  • Well structured, interesting, and informative.
    May 2, 2015 by TEEJ888888 from Canada

    I just listened to the first two episodes of the podcast. It's really good. The questions are solid, there is lots of good advice for lifting and for life, and Ray does a good job at interacting with the guest but keeping things on track and flowing. Ray is articulate and the guests seem professional and smart. Overall, I'm very impressed.

  • My top 5 favorite show!
    April 16, 2015 by mrcdmag from United States

    Great show with lots of valuable information! I always have my notebook open and writing.

  • Top strength show
    April 16, 2015 by Alastair7890 from United Kingdom

    Very informative. Top guests

  • Great Show!
    April 10, 2015 by SloneStrength from United States

    Well prepared show. Amazing professionalism! Keep up the great work.

  • AWESOMENESS CONTAINTED
    March 4, 2015 by jamie729 from United Kingdom

    This is an awesome podcast the format, the guests & the topics disscussed are all truely infomative. No BS contained the show always opens up new schools of thoughts and ideas to the listeners. keep up the good work.

  • Subscribe, instantly addictive
    March 2, 2015 by thebroadkaz from Canada

    This show is amazing to listen to it motivates you not only for the gym but for setting and achieving goals in your every day life. Very motivating and positive. Truly helps to get you in the right frame of mind for life and for the gym.

  • An absolutely ace show everytime
    February 24, 2015 by Tommy Eggleton from United Kingdom

    This show is phenomenal! The format and repeated questions for each episode keep the show driving forward, the guests have had ample time to prepare excellent and considered opinions and yet the show never feels like anything but no-BS conversations on building seuperhuman strength and mighty bodies. The host, Ray Toulany, consistently does a marvellous job of drawing out even more from his guests than the material they've prepared and some of the stories that are teased out are superb. I wholeheartedly recommend this to anybody that trains, thinks about training, or simply admires strength sports and bodybuilding in general.

  • Great Resource
    February 4, 2015 by Velvet Jones81 from United States

    For someone new to the strength sports like myself this show has been a great resource. Thanks for doing this show. It has helped a lot.

  • Paul McIlroy
    February 2, 2015 by Paul McIlroy from United Kingdom

    I've been an avid aficionado of all things strength and physical culture related for the vast majority of my entire life. As a former world champion powerlifter and trainer of world champions in different strength sports I can honestly say that Ray Toulany's Super Strength Show is an absolutely INVALUABLE resource for those wishing/needing to maximise their holistic understanding of strength, what it is to be strong, why that is important and how to best achieve it! The list of guests reads like a star studded "who's who" of strength and conditioning ROYALTY! Plus, more than anything the interviews are a ton of fun and provide a fascinating insight into the very best in the business and what makes them tick. It was my complete pleasure and privilege to be a guest on this amazing show (episode 37). If YOU claim to be serious about strength training and are not currently subscribed to THIS show, my honest advice is do so immediately...if not sooner!

  • Super Strength Show
    January 26, 2015 by Joeino from United States

    I love this podcast as I seem to pick up valuable information from each guest. Listing to this is a fun and productive use of my time

  • Excellent Information
    January 26, 2015 by TaylorrrrNB from United States

    These guys obviously do their homework, work hard to create an excellent show and know who to interview in the world of strength and fitness! I’m very impressed by what they have created and the quality of what they do. You need to subscribe! TODAY!!

  • by Brandon Richey
    January 22, 2015 by Great Work SSS from United States

    The Super Strength Show is a fantastic resource for all things concerning strength, fitness, and life. The multitude of guests provides tons of information and perspectives that every listener will appreciate. If you’re serious about strength and the physical culture this is a resource that you just can’t pass up!

  • Very glad I stumbled across this podcast!
    January 22, 2015 by rk102 from United States

    Great info from big-time guests in the strength and conditioning world. Keep up the great work, Ray!

  • Awesome show
    January 13, 2015 by Bonjower from Canada

    The Podcast is the best I’ve encountered in the fitness/bodybuilding sector. The host has a great ability to pull the pertinent information out of his guests. The topics are great and you seem to be able to get useful information out of every interview! Awesome podcast!!

  • Do yourself a favour and subscribe
    January 1, 2015 by GameOverBoss from Canada

    The amount of info and resources in the SuperStrengthShow is just incredible. All of this coming from guests that are the best of the best in their fields. Great questions are asked to these guys and some really insightful answers given (along with a few laughs). I hate wasting time and i'm always looking to evolve and refine my training. This podcast has saved me hours of digging through the crazy crap on the internet to find valid info. It has also introduced me to things i would have never thought to look up. Really can’t recommend enough.

  • Master SFG
    December 24, 2014 by X-Fab69 from Italy

    Awesome Podcast! A whole lot of great and useful information provided by very accomplished athletes and coaches with an extended experience on the ground!

  • Charles C
    December 22, 2014 by CharlieConnely from Canada

    Very impressed with the quality guests that the Super Strength Show is interviewing. Loaded with with actionable and inspiring information. Great production quality and daily episodes!

  • Well done Ray
    December 19, 2014 by Matt McWilliams from United States

    Wow…Super Strenght Show Podcast is flat out awesome. Good production quality. Easy to listen. Very impressed Ray. Keep bringing it.

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